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[10ebbor10]

Do note, we're not humans or even humanoid aliens.  I think we're ant like, and thus have an exoskeleton. (No idea how we look though, ) No fear for bees.

Additionally, I don't think we, as a species, know the concept of surrender. Then again, I didn't know that we as a species were terrified of walls.

[3man75]

Do note, we're not humans or even humanoid aliens.  I think we're ant like, and thus have an exoskeleton. (No idea how we look though, ) No fear for bees.

Additionally, I don't think we, as a species, know the concept of surrender. Then again, I didn't know that we as a species were terrified of walls.

We don't have fear of bee's or wasps but we still don't want our peoples eyes stung out..however Xeno eyes are different. They can be stung out in the most brutal manner possible.

[10ebbor10]

Do note, we're not humans or even humanoid aliens.  I think we're ant like, and thus have an exoskeleton. (No idea how we look though, ) No fear for bees.

Additionally, I don't think we, as a species, know the concept of surrender. Then again, I didn't know that we as a species were terrified of walls.

We don't have fear of bee's or wasps but we still don't want our peoples eyes stung out..however Xeno eyes are different. They can be stung out in the most brutal manner possible.

0) And how is being covered in mud going to help you when the wasps go for your eyes... 
1) We don't know if wasps even exist on this planet.
2) Xenos wear extensive body armor. This is, for them,  an alien planet after all. And especially with our presence, they will keep their full suits, which including vizor, gasmask, making wasps a non-issue.
3) Xenos shoot much farther than we can throw. 
4) We have no ways to apply your plan in a situation where it would be even remotely useful. We encounter them in 2 locations.
        a) Xenos are within their walls.  [Attacking = Suicide]
        b) Xenos are outside on patrol   [2 situations]
                  a) We can't get close enough to throw [Attacking = Suicide, especially for workers]
                  b) We can get close enough to throw.  [Meaning we can also get close enough to eliminate their patrol]

I have nothing against complicated plans, but they must be better than the standard CHARGE plan.
                       

[cheesemcmuffin88]

I would like to say that are goal is to remove these creatures from our planet?
So am I correct in the reasoning that it might not have to be with force. Even though out first few encounters have been violent it doesn't mean that they have to stay that way. I say that we could negotiate some sort of diplomatic settlement to these invaders to get them to leave our planet. As well as land us some technology along the way. So i suggest we make an effort to capture a single member of there species so that we can spawn a new type of worker capable of inter species communication

[10ebbor10]

They shall all perish, and we will rule this world again.

Capturing a Xeno doesn't interfere with any other plan, and would be beneficial to a military victory, so I suppose we'll have a go at it.

[3man75]

0. Mud and filth keeps wasps and bees inside because they like to be clean and will avoid that type of terrain. The trower having it on will not be stung, Mayans used it against the spanish.

1. Insects are bound to exist and our people will know about them, they've lived here for centuries i think the OP said.

2. Could be a thing...but we can always aim on those working on machines or trying to take scientist trying to get outside.

3. Lil' hide and sneak could do it. But this is probally the most valid way to shoot down my suggestion.

4. Your right..

Okay going back to my old suggestion. Did the Bronze age have trebuchets. or catapults? If so we can trow boulders at there walls, vehicles, and troops.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet 

Or even better yet trow a flaming hay bails over the Xeno walls and light the insides on fire. Best part of this plan is that we can have  watchers using the hivemind network give coordnates to the treb teams, who will in turn adjust aim. It can also be made long range.[/b] By the way did you guys know mongols used trebs/catapults to launch rotting corpses infected with the plague over walls? {{Ya plague spreading time?}}

An If not that how about ballistas? we can have

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballista or  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpio_(Dart-thrower)

. Have them built and placed around where the Xenos can see them but not fire. If there not paying attention they get shot..kinda like a sick game if they don't do anything. An if they do..we can pit traps near them so they fall in. Pit traps can have wooden stakes {{WE HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST THESE DAMMIT!!}} or snake like creatures if we can find those.[/b]

[10ebbor10]

I'm not sure, but probably not. Given that there's little reason for us to have developed the technology (we don't appear to have any kind of ranged weaponry, focusing more on underground battles and ambushes). So I'm afraid we don't have anything that uses much technology.

That is however, purely based on my speculation.

As a note, an interesting result from the Scorched Earth part of my plan is that most likely, animals that suddenly run out of food (due to us taking everything out of the forests near the humans) will start to explore their settlement for things to eat.

[3man75]

I'm not sure, but probably not. Given that there's little reason for us to have developed the technology (we don't appear to have any kind of ranged weaponry, focusing more on underground battles and ambushes). So I'm afraid we don't have anything that uses much technology.

That is however, purely based on my speculation.

As a note, an interesting result from the Scorched Earth part of my plan is that most likely, animals that suddenly run out of food (due to us taking everything out of the forests near the humans) will start to explore their settlement for things to eat.

Or into our caverns..Anyone know if Bronze age societies had Catapults at least? If not we need to begin research (GM's call if were even allowed to advance with science/biolical evolution}.

[Worldmaster27]

Even though we are Bronze Age tech, we probably don't have siege weaponry or the like. Think about it, besides the Xenos, do we have any enemies that build walls? For that matter, do we have any other significant enemies we need to be worrying about? Siege equipment was only originally developed in response to walls and other static defenses.

[3man75]

Even though we are Bronze Age tech, we probably don't have siege weaponry or the like. Think about it, besides the Xenos, do we have any enemies that build walls? For that matter, do we have any other significant enemies we need to be worrying about? Siege equipment was only originally developed in response to walls and other static defenses.

In that case we need to Research long rage wall smashing. and create a small creature who's poison claws rip into our enemies. They'll hopefully be quickly created and birthed in high measurements.

From there on we just it on xenos who travel too far from there walls.

[10ebbor10]

I don't think we can actually. Ranged weaponry is a bit more complicated than that. A trebuchet or ballista would be challenging for our tech level, but it's going to be even more complicated than that for a species which never used ranged weaponry. Then again, we don't know anything about ourselves or our technology. I mean, does anyone know how much appendages our species has ?

As for the creature. For the moment, we don't need anything that's lethal close range, but harmless up far. Our current soldiers, can, with ease, destroy everyone they come across. A small parasite would
a) Have more trouble getting close, due to being slower and less strong.
b) Have more trouble to get through armor.
c) Not do anything better than our current generation of soldiers.

[10ebbor10]

I added some more details.

Composite Suggestions, though mostly my own. Feel free to adjust as nessecairy.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

War
* Raid enemy patrols outside their borders. Try to bring one back alive this time. No Xenoes should be able to leave their compound. (Always attack from ambushes). Collapse the ground under anything we can't defeat.
      * Always attack from ambushes, both dug in, or from the trees, or stuff like that.
* Continue digging efforts. Try to go underneath the foundations rather than through. (Win-Win. Either the wall collapses, or we go underneath)
* Try to find any scraps of their technology. Tell our troops that they leave nothing after a successful attack. Take all weaponry.
* Create pitfall traps in the forest. (Hey, we have to do something with all the wood from plan Forest fire)
* If we're capable, construct siege engines.

Development
* IIRC, we're a bronze age technology civilizations. Well, let's start using it. Design bronze weaponry and armor.
* Try to develop ranged weaponry of some sort.
* Create a new breed, the acidic worker. This has the greatest immediate benefit, allowing us to take out the wall, negate their strong armor and expand our bases.

Home

* Start creating new underground food deposits. Rather than carrying food and resources into the main hive, these will be stored here, and then carried to the main hive underground through collapsible tunnels.
* Expand our food reserves
* Continue breeding
* Create a new, near surface hive far away from the human base, ideally close to ore reserves and a forest. Here we will invest in new technology.
* Try to expand our bases with several, new, small underground caverns, deeper than our usual bases.
*Look for ores.

Long term

* Plan: Forest Fire.
       -Current implementation : Create a firebreak in the forest surrounding the enemy base.
       -Long term goal: The ability to light the forest on fire, causing smoke and fire to destroy the enemy base.

* Plan: Scorched Earth
       - Current implementation : Gather as much natural resources as we can out of their forests. This will cause some ecological problems in the area, most likely driving any wildlife in the area to their food supply.
       - Long term goal: Cut the Xeno's of from all basic resources they might need

* Plan: Gaia's aid
       - Current implementation: Find the nearest large pack mega fauna*. After we have found it, we can laterattack it and drive it towards the Xeno base. What we're looking for is the largest herbivoric creature that lives in packs. Massive carnivores, if we can find them, are good too.
       - Long term goal: Trample the defenses.

* Plan: Down with the Wall
       - Current implementation:See war
       - Long term: We sabotage the wall fortifications on a truly large scale, digging underneath them across the entire length. We collapse this when we attack, causing the entire wall to suddenly shift and crumbly, or perhaps even fall over in it's entirety.

* Plan: Know what's going on
       - Current implementation: Examine the surroundings. Look for nearby hills, forests, and stuff like that.
       - Long term: We'll see when we know what's going on.

* This should exist. The evolution of large ants heavily implies a higher than usual oxygen rate, and lower gravity.

[3man75]

I added some more details.

Composite Suggestions, though mostly my own. Feel free to adjust as nessecairy.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

War
* Raid enemy patrols outside their borders. Try to bring one back alive this time. No Xenoes should be able to leave their compound. (Always attack from ambushes). Collapse the ground under anything we can't defeat.
      * Always attack from ambushes, both dug in, or from the trees, or stuff like that.
* Continue digging efforts. Try to go underneath the foundations rather than through. (Win-Win. Either the wall collapses, or we go underneath)
* Try to find any scraps of their technology. Tell our troops that they leave nothing after a successful attack. Take all weaponry.
* Create pitfall traps in the forest. (Hey, we have to do something with all the wood from plan Forest fire)
* If we're capable, construct siege engines.

Development
* IIRC, we're a bronze age technology civilizations. Well, let's start using it. Design bronze weaponry and armor.
* Try to develop ranged weaponry of some sort.
* Create a new breed, the acidic worker. This has the greatest immediate benefit, allowing us to take out the wall, negate their strong armor and expand our bases.

Home

* Start creating new underground food deposits. Rather than carrying food and resources into the main hive, these will be stored here, and then carried to the main hive underground through collapsible tunnels.
* Expand our food reserves
* Continue breeding
* Create a new, near surface hive far away from the human base, ideally close to ore reserves and a forest. Here we will invest in new technology.
* Try to expand our bases with several, new, small underground caverns, deeper than our usual bases.
*Look for ores.

Long term

* Plan: Forest Fire.
       -Current implementation : Create a firebreak in the forest surrounding the enemy base.
       -Long term goal: The ability to light the forest on fire, causing smoke and fire to destroy the enemy base.

* Plan: Scorched Earth
       - Current implementation : Gather as much natural resources as we can out of their forests. This will cause some ecological problems in the area, most likely driving any wildlife in the area to their food supply.
       - Long term goal: Cut the Xeno's of from all basic resources they might need

* Plan: Gaia's aid
       - Current implementation: Find the nearest large pack mega fauna*. After we have found it, we can laterattack it and drive it towards the Xeno base. What we're looking for is the largest herbivoric creature that lives in packs. Massive carnivores, if we can find them, are good too.
       - Long term goal: Trample the defenses.

* Plan: Down with the Wall
       - Current implementation:See war
       - Long term: We sabotage the wall fortifications on a truly large scale, digging underneath them across the entire length. We collapse this when we attack, causing the entire wall to suddenly shift and crumbly, or perhaps even fall over in it's entirety.

* Plan: Know what's going on
       - Current implementation: Examine the surroundings. Look for nearby hills, forests, and stuff like that.
       - Long term: We'll see when we know what's going on.

* This should exist. The evolution of large ants heavily implies a higher than usual oxygen rate, and lower gravity.

+1 to everything in the war, development, and everything else EXCEPT some of the long term plans.

For example were hiding inside these forests right? Why would we burn them down and put us/an possibly show entrances to our hives to our enemy? or at the very worst burn ourselves too? -1 to forest fire and scorched earth.

However, if we can get carnivores to migrate into our area then that would be awesome to keep the humans off-balance. We know that they came from the sky and that they can innovate when it comes to defending themselves.

+1 to knowing what's going around and seeing what else they build and any other plans i'm to lazy to mention.

[The Froggy Ninja]

I added some more details.

Composite Suggestions, though mostly my own. Feel free to adjust as nessecairy.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

War
* Raid enemy patrols outside their borders. Try to bring one back alive this time. No Xenoes should be able to leave their compound. (Always attack from ambushes). Collapse the ground under anything we can't defeat.
      * Always attack from ambushes, both dug in, or from the trees, or stuff like that.
* Continue digging efforts. Try to go underneath the foundations rather than through. (Win-Win. Either the wall collapses, or we go underneath)
* Try to find any scraps of their technology. Tell our troops that they leave nothing after a successful attack. Take all weaponry.
* Create pitfall traps in the forest. (Hey, we have to do something with all the wood from plan Forest fire)
* If we're capable, construct siege engines.

Development
* IIRC, we're a bronze age technology civilizations. Well, let's start using it. Design bronze weaponry and armor.
* Try to develop ranged weaponry of some sort.
* Create a new breed, the acidic worker. This has the greatest immediate benefit, allowing us to take out the wall, negate their strong armor and expand our bases.

Home

* Start creating new underground food deposits. Rather than carrying food and resources into the main hive, these will be stored here, and then carried to the main hive underground through collapsible tunnels.
* Expand our food reserves
* Continue breeding
* Create a new, near surface hive far away from the human base, ideally close to ore reserves and a forest. Here we will invest in new technology.
* Try to expand our bases with several, new, small underground caverns, deeper than our usual bases.
*Look for ores.

Long term

* Plan: Forest Fire.
       -Current implementation : Create a firebreak in the forest surrounding the enemy base.
       -Long term goal: The ability to light the forest on fire, causing smoke and fire to destroy the enemy base.

* Plan: Scorched Earth
       - Current implementation : Gather as much natural resources as we can out of their forests. This will cause some ecological problems in the area, most likely driving any wildlife in the area to their food supply.
       - Long term goal: Cut the Xeno's of from all basic resources they might need

* Plan: Gaia's aid
       - Current implementation: Find the nearest large pack mega fauna*. After we have found it, we can laterattack it and drive it towards the Xeno base. What we're looking for is the largest herbivoric creature that lives in packs. Massive carnivores, if we can find them, are good too.
       - Long term goal: Trample the defenses.

* Plan: Down with the Wall
       - Current implementation:See war
       - Long term: We sabotage the wall fortifications on a truly large scale, digging underneath them across the entire length. We collapse this when we attack, causing the entire wall to suddenly shift and crumbly, or perhaps even fall over in it's entirety.

* Plan: Know what's going on
       - Current implementation: Examine the surroundings. Look for nearby hills, forests, and stuff like that.
       - Long term: We'll see when we know what's going on.

* This should exist. The evolution of large ants heavily implies a higher than usual oxygen rate, and lower gravity.

+1 to everything in the war, development, and everything else EXCEPT some of the long term plans.

For example were hiding inside these forests right? Why would we burn them down and put us/an possibly show entrances to our hives to our enemy? or at the very worst burn ourselves too? -1 to forest fire and scorched earth.

However, if we can get carnivores to migrate into our area then that would be awesome to keep the humans off-balance. We know that they came from the sky and that they can innovate when it comes to defending themselves.

+1 to knowing what's going around and seeing what else they build and any other plans i'm to lazy to mention.

+1

[3man75]

By the way is there any way we can LEARN GM? Like re-examining corpses from the very first thing or something.

At this pace the Xeno's can just go full carpet bombing or Agent Orange on us.