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[Rolepgeek]

Oh, alright. Damnit. My reason for opting for Pikemen rather than Axemen is kinda screwed now. What does Siege do, may I ask, then?

I would like to participate in another one from the start, so reserve a spot/PM me if you do, please!

[notquitethere]

I always feel like I'm dallying with certain disaster but with everything still to play for. I love it!

Spoiler: Turn 24 (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="notquitethere">
  <tileorders/>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="8"/>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="4">
      <unittype code="pike"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="3">
      <building code="aqueduct"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="12">
      <building code="wWall"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="conq" armyid="43" x="12" y="20"/>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="36" x="6" y="2">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="45" x="7" y="8">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="17" x="5" y="8">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="3" x="10" y="8">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Link for those interested in another game.

[lemon10]

Turn 25

Spoiler: Turn 24 results (click to show/hide)

The Ancoran Tribe:

13 food used to gain 1 free population
Road built at (6,2)
Tile (6,5) claimed
Magicians raised in Ancora
The Ancoran Tribe army 40 moves to (6,2)
Ancora City Guard moves to (5,6)


Orangeworld:

15 food used to gain 1 free population
16 food used to gain 1 free population
Tile (18,5) claimed
Smithy built in Telorin
Library built in Expansion!
Orangeworld army 41 moves to (16,11)
Rag Tag Cavalry moves to (13,14)
Rag Tag A moves to (18,8)


Istania:

26 food used to gain 1 free population
26 food used to gain 1 free population
Road built at (19,19)
Woodcutters built at (19,19)
Tile (18,18) claimed
Woodcutters built at (18,17)
Tile (18,10) claimed
Cavern Mines built in Capitalopolis
Smithy built in Bordertown
Spearmen (27) moved to Istanian National Guard
Spearmen (32) moved to Istanian National Guard
Pikemen (21) moved to Istanian National Guard
Istania army 28 disbanded
Istania army 34 disbanded
Istania army 42 moves to (18,18)
Istania army 35 moves to (16,17)
Greenland has razed your village on (12,20)!


Boydinia:

3 food used to gain 1 free population


Greenland:

22 food used to gain 1 free population
Valcoran grows to size 3
Pikemen raised in Verdantia
Aqueduct built in Boyd City
Palisade built in Utyug Ferma
Those Swift Elms moves to (6,1)
Greenland army 45 moves to (9,6)
Second Reservists moves to (6,7)
The Inverted Axes moves to (12,6)
Southern Pacification Force has razed Istania's village on (12,20)!


Na Draoithe:

17 food used to gain 1 free population
18 food used to gain 1 free population
Horse Pasture built at (12,3)
Farm built at (12,5)
Tile (11,2) claimed
Pikemen raised in Forstis
Bowmen (43) renamed to 6th Archers
6th Archers moved to Na Draoithe First Guard
Na Draoithe army 46 disbanded
Na Draoithe army 47 renamed to Forstis Garrison
Pikemen (44) renamed to 2ns Swiss
Na Draoithe Defence League moves to (11,8)
Na Draoithe First Guard moves to (12,7)

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Admin interface
Player interface
E: Fixed the desert pastures.

[Rolepgeek]

Real quick, Lemon, what does Siege do?

[RangerCado]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="RangerCado">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="18" y="5">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="18" y="6">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="20" y="6"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="6">
      <unittype code="hmen"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="33" x="13" y="14">
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="6" x="18" y="8">
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[Kashyyk]

Real quick, Lemon, what does Siege do?

It reduces the bonus to defence a unit gets from city defences.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="Kashyyk">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="11" y="2">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="13" y="2"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="19"/>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="7">
      <unittype code="bowmen"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="5">
      <unittype code="pike"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="47" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="44"/>
      <newname>2nd</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="47" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="44"/>
      <newname>2nd Swiss</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="47" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="44"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="12"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="50" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="47"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="47"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="50" x="12" y="7"/>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="47" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="47"/>
      <newname>3rd Swiss</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="31" x="11" y="8">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="12" x="12" y="7">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[Rolepgeek]

Real quick, Lemon, what does Siege do?

It reduces the bonus to defence a unit gets from city defences.

Ah, that makes sense. I thought it might give the attacking forces a bonus.

Do multiple ones stack? Like do 3 battering rams negate the effect of a palisade+stone wall? Or do you need a battering ram and a catapult for that? Or just the next tier up(trebuchets?)?

EDIT: In any case

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="Rolepgeek">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="18" y="18"/>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="18" y="10"/>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="18" y="11"/>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="18" y="12"/>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="20" y="14"/>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="16" y="7"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="2">
      <unittype code="axem"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="11">
      <unittype code="bRam"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="35" x="16" y="17">
      <targetunit unitid="33"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="15"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="35" x="16" y="17"/>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="42" x="18" y="18">
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="0"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="15" x="16" y="17">
      <step dx="-1" dy="0"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

Let's see just how many turns we can get done in one day.

[lemon10]

Real quick, Lemon, what does Siege do?

Cities have a passive defense bonus of 25%+25% per defensive building. Siege reduces this by the strength of the siege bonus. It does not affect terrain defensive bonuses.
Damn ninjas.
I think they stack, but I'm not 100% sure. You can check in the admin interface if you want.

[Rolepgeek]

Real quick, Lemon, what does Siege do?

Cities have a passive defense bonus of 25%+25% per defensive building. Siege reduces this by the strength of the siege bonus. It does not affect terrain defensive bonuses.
Damn ninjas.
I think they stack, but I'm not 100% sure. You can check in the admin interface if you want.

So, uhhh...
What does defensive bonus do, exactly? And what bonuses do the different terrain bonuses give? Wouldn't, to a certain point, bowmen be able to rain death without retaliation if there was a wall and the attackers don't have a siege weapon? And don't the Stone Wall and Fortress give +50% each? That's what the 50 means right?

And even though I know you almost certainly won't answer this: When is the best time to use siege weapons, then? After all, they're rather slow.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="Zanzetkuken The Great">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="3" y="7"/>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="6" y="1"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="0">
      <unittype code="mage"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="40" x="6" y="2">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="48" x="4" y="4">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[lemon10]

Real quick, Lemon, what does Siege do?

Cities have a passive defense bonus of 25%+25% per defensive building. Siege reduces this by the strength of the siege bonus. It does not affect terrain defensive bonuses.
Damn ninjas.
I think they stack, but I'm not 100% sure. You can check in the admin interface if you want.

So, uhhh...
What does defensive bonus do, exactly? And what bonuses do the different terrain bonuses give? Wouldn't, to a certain point, bowmen be able to rain death without retaliation if there was a wall and the attackers don't have a siege weapon? And don't the Stone Wall and Fortress give +50% each? That's what the 50 means right?

And even though I know you almost certainly won't answer this: When is the best time to use siege weapons, then? After all, they're rather slow.

Defensive bonuses simply increase the defense stat of all defending units. If they get a +125% defensive bonus (+50% from hills and +75% from a city), then a unit with 4 base defense goes into battle with 9 defense.
As for terrain, forest/hill/mountains get +25/50/75% defense.
Walls don't have any physical presence in a battle, and give the same percentage bonus for all defending units, from bowmen to axemen to calvary to boats. That said, in a battle with forces that are even slightly similar, a defender with a good bonus will be able to shred his opponent with the crazy defense he can get.
Yeah, 50 is a 50% bonus, I made a mistake when I said that they were all 25% apparently.

You should use them when it is benifical, i'm not really going to tell you when that is, but you should be able to figure out when it is more useful to send some over and wait the turns it takes to get there then to produce a few more regular troops and attack a few turns sooner.

[Rolepgeek]

So they just increase the defense stat.

So ranged units are even less useful than other units when defending a city.

Because that makes sense >.>

[RangerCado]

Well, if you get 1 or 2 high health and defense guys in melee, your ranged guys get to just sit there all day taking pot shots.

[lemon10]

Well, if you get 1 or 2 high health and defense guys in melee, your ranged guys get to just sit there all day taking pot shots.

Outside of having a few specialists (siege, healers, units with auras) and units that need rare resources (mana units, mithril units) you don't ever want to split your force with different speed and range units.
E: Just waiting on nqt.