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[notquitethere]

I hope she gets better— go do what you need to do, and I'm sure tryrar or lemon will cover you.

[lemon10]

Someone else is going to have to run my nation for awhile.  My Grandmother is in the hospital for reasons I am not clear of, and I need to take help out with my grandfather.

Hope she gets better soon. 
I'll do this turn for you, and tryrar will play him for the next few turns (assuming he accepts).

Spoiler: The Ancoran Confedoracy's turn 38 (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="Zanzetkuken The Great">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="4" y="7">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="7" y="10"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="8"/>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="0">
      <building code="market"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="100" x="5" y="6">
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="116" x="4" y="4">
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="44" x="5" y="5">
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="91" x="6" y="12">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[lemon10]

Turn 39

Spoiler: Turn 38 results (click to show/hide)

The Ancoran Confederacy:

21 food used to gain 1 free population
21 food used to gain 1 free population
Farm built at (4,7)
Tile (7,10) claimed
Valcoran grows to size 5
Marketplace built in Ancora
Battle fought at (6,12):
   Greenland army 118 attacking (1 units)
   The Ancoran Confederacy army 91 defending (1 units) with defense bonus 75%
   Spearmen (62) destroyed
   Attackers win
The Ancoran Confederacy army 116 moves to (5,6)
New Dawn moves to (5,6)
The Ancoran Confederacy army 100 moves to (7,8)


Orangeworld:

22 food used to gain 1 free population
Road built at (21,5)
Mana Tap built at (18,0)
Tile (18,7) claimed
Tile (17,6) claimed
Road built at (20,3)
Horse Archers raised in Telorin
University built in Expansion!
Orangeworld army 61 moves to (17,9)


Istania:

38 food used to gain 1 free population
38 food used to gain 1 free population
Mine built at (13,14)
Mine built at (11,14)
Road built at (15,17)
Hunter's Camp built at (18,17)
Hunter's Camp built at (19,19)
Stables built in Ista
Smithy built in Farrum
Catapult raised in Bachein
Utyug Ferma grows to size 3
Smithy built in Kerav
Third Swords Battalion moved to Garrison
Fifth Reserve Spears moved to Garrison
Grond moved to Foreign Legion
Grond moved to Istanian National Guard
Skulltapult moved to Istanian National Guard
Foreign Legion is empty and is disbanded
Border Patrol is empty and is disbanded
Garrison moves to (14,18)
Istanian National Guard moves to (13,18)


Greenland:

26 food used to gain 1 free population
Quarry built at (6,22)
Horsemen raised in Verdantia
Pikemen raised in Boyd City
Marketplace built in Elmscove
Windhaven grows to size 4
Fountain of Health built in Grunwald
Healers raised in Sylvania
Pikemen (102) moved to Citadel Task Force
Halberdiers (96) moved to Citadel Task Force
Greenland army 113 disbanded
Greenland army 119 disbanded
Battle fought at (6,12):
   Greenland army 118 attacking (1 units)
   The Ancoran Confederacy army 91 defending (1 units) with defense bonus 75%
   Spearmen (62) destroyed
   Attackers win
Greenland army 120 moves to (10,18)


Na Draoithe:

28 food used to gain 1 free population
28 food used to gain 1 free population
Farm built at (13,3)
Farm built at (12,4)
Marston Hotel and Leisure grows to size 5
Master Blacksmiths built in Forstis
Engineer's Guild built in Riverton
Dragoons (104) renamed to 2nd Hussars
Forstis Garrison renamed to Portland Garrison
Na Draoithe army 121 renamed to Reserves
Reserves moves to (14,7)
Third Division moves to (6,13)
Not so Rapid Response moves to (12,7)
Fourth Division moves to (9,13)
First Division moves to (7,13)
Second Devision moves to (8,13)
Na Draoithe First Guard moves to (12,10)

Spoiler: Battle Details (click to show/hide)

Battle fought at (6,12):
   Greenland army 118 attacking (1 units)
   The Ancoran Confederacy army 91 defending (1 units) with defense bonus 75%

Turn 1
Turn 2
Turn 3
   Lancers (101) charges Spearmen (62) but fails to do damage
   Spearmen (62) attacks Lancers (101) but fails to do damage
Turn 4
   Lancers (101) attacks Spearmen (62) but fails to do damage
   Spearmen (62) attacks Lancers (101) for 3 damage
Turn 5
   Lancers (101) attacks Spearmen (62) for 2 damage
   Spearmen (62) attacks Lancers (101) but fails to do damage
Turn 6
   Lancers (101) attacks Spearmen (62) for 3 damage
   Spearmen (62) destroyed
   Attackers win

If RangerCado doesn't post a turn this turn, then he will be permanentley replaced by tryray (and I will have to find someone else to auto Zanz).
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Admin interface
Player interface

[Kashyyk]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="Kashyyk">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="11" y="4"/>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="13" y="4">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="21"/>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="19">
      <building code="libr"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="5">
      <unittype code="hbow4"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="121" x="14" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="104"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="114"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="57" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="66"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="97"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="57" x="12" y="7"/>
    <armyorgorder type="nArmy" armyid="Kashyyk127" x="12" y="7"/>
    <armyorgorder type="rnArmy" armyid="Kashyyk127" x="12" y="7">
      <newname>Relocation</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="97" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="47"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="97"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="97" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="55"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="97"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="97" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="72"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="97"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="97" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="66"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="Kashyyk127"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="97" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="47"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="Kashyyk127"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="97" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="55"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="Kashyyk127"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="97" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="72"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="Kashyyk127"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="12" x="12" y="10">
      <targetunit unitid="44"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="89"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="12" x="12" y="10"/>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="Kashyyk127" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="66"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="97"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="Kashyyk127" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="47"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="97"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="Kashyyk127" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="55"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="97"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="Kashyyk127" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="72"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="97"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="97" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="61"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="Kashyyk127"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="97" x="12" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="54"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="Kashyyk127"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="121" x="14" y="7"/>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="110" x="9" y="13">
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="107" x="8" y="13">
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="106" x="7" y="13">
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="conq" armyid="109" x="6" y="13"/>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="Kashyyk127" x="12" y="7">
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[Rolepgeek]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="Rolepgeek">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="21" y="12"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="26"/>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="2">
      <building code="cavY"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="13">
      <building code="eng"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="17">
      <unittype code="healer"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="11">
      <building code="cMine"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="12">
      <building code="market"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="nArmy" armyid="Rolepgeek127" x="14" y="18"/>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="81" x="14" y="18">
      <targetunit unitid="95"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="Rolepgeek127"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="81" x="14" y="18">
      <targetunit unitid="75"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="Rolepgeek127"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="81" x="14" y="18">
      <targetunit unitid="80"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="Rolepgeek127"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="81" x="14" y="18">
      <targetunit unitid="85"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="Rolepgeek127"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="81" x="14" y="18">
      <targetunit unitid="67"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="Rolepgeek127"/>
    </armyorgorder>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="123" x="17" y="16">
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="Rolepgeek127" x="14" y="18">
      <step dx="-1" dy="0"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>
Begin purchasing pegasi at a rate of 1 per turn, for 10 gold per turn.

So Speed is determined by movement speed, yes? And thus, horses will always act first?

[lemon10]

So Speed is determined by movement speed, yes? And thus, horses will always act first?

Pretty much.
Of note however: Armies move at the speed of their slowest unit. Conquering always takes place after movement, no matter the speed of the units involved.

[notquitethere]

I'm undone. I thought healers healed in battle, but they don't and I've just lost two rounds when I could have been building something useful instead.

Ranger, Zanz and Kashyyk might have reason to worry when Rolepg has the might of the old Boydinian lands under his belt.

Spoiler: Turn 39 (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="notquitethere">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="6" y="12"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="3">
      <unittype code="pike"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="4">
      <unittype code="hmen"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="10">
      <unittype code="spear"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="25">
      <building code="market"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="24">
      <building code="gran"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="14">
      <building code="mGuil"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="125" x="12" y="19">
      <targetunit unitid="108"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="78"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="125" x="12" y="19"/>
    <armyorgorder type="nArmy" armyid="notquitethere127" x="12" y="19"/>
    <armyorgorder type="rnArmy" armyid="notquitethere127" x="12" y="19">
      <newname>Shore Raiders</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="78" x="12" y="19">
      <targetunit unitid="60"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="notquitethere127"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="notquitethere127" x="12" y="19">
      <targetunit unitid="60"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="78"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="notquitethere127" x="12" y="19"/>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="120" x="10" y="18">
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="126" x="8" y="16">
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="118" x="6" y="12">
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[Rolepgeek]

Aye, and Zanz, Tryrar, and I have reason to worry when Kashyyk has Mithral under his.

[Kashyyk]

Bah, I think having a developed third of the map is more powerful than a food-devouring mithril source.

[lemon10]

All the rules on trade are in the spoiler below. There are a few changes and some clarifications on things that haven't come up yet.

Spoiler: Trade (click to show/hide)

Trade is all done by the GM, and as such the rules can vary from game to game and between GM’s. Nevertheless, here are the trade rules for this game and that I am planning on using in all future games.
Trade Route: A trade route is a connection between the cities of two players. A trade route consists of either a road between two cities or two cities on the same ocean. Trade routes are blocked by the troops and cities of other players unless they explicitly allow it.
*Other GM’s may allow rivers to be used as part of or the entirety of a trade route.
Trading Resources: Trading Resources requires a trade route between two players. The resources used leave your stockpile before the turn is run and arrive after the turn is run. Trades take an extra turn to complete for each route beyond the first they go through (eg. transit from water->land or road->different road would take a extra turn). Trades are legally binding for that turn only (eg. “I will trade you 5 iron for 3 food” requires them to trade you the food or “I will trade you 3 iron if you don’t attack me this turn” requires them not to attack you). Long term trade agreements are not binding (“I will trade you 3 iron if you don’t attack me for five turns” requires them not to attack you on the first turn, but allows them to attack you in any later turn).
Trading Tiles: Tiles and Cities can be traded to a player if they are in a position where they could be claimed by that player next turn if they were empty. Cities on the ocean can additionally be traded if the receiving player has a city on the same ocean.
Trading Units: All non-boats can always be traded. Boats can only be traded to a player if they have a city on same ocean they are received on.

Note there are a number of rule changes regarding trading. To prevent NQT from getting screwed over by the change in trading tiles (since everyone else got to trade them), I will allow him to trade up to 4 tiles with other players (and them with him) free of the new trading restriction.

[Rolepgeek]

So anyone want to actually trade anything with NQT?

Yeah I thought so.

So, if there's a road that stretches all the way across the map, but only touches two cities at either end, it only takes a turn.

But if there's a road that goes a third of that distance, yet goes through five different cities total each from a different player, it would take four turns to complete.

And thus, by building a city on a road that is otherwise unoccupied, it causes trades from cities on either side, even with my permission, to take longer?

Or do you just mean going from land route to sea route and back again?

[lemon10]

So anyone want to actually trade anything with NQT?

Yeah I thought so.

So, if there's a road that stretches all the way across the map, but only touches two cities at either end, it only takes a turn.

But if there's a road that goes a third of that distance, yet goes through five different cities total each from a different player, it would take four turns to complete.

And thus, by building a city on a road that is otherwise unoccupied, it causes trades from cities on either side, even with my permission, to take longer?

Or do you just mean going from land route to sea route and back again?

I mean going from one route to another. Trading across a single road only takes a single turn no matter what (assuming it is unblocked that is). However, going from sea->road would take two turns, and going from road->different road (eg. if you had a road to a middle player, and the middle player had a different road to your trade partner) would also take two turns.
E: Edited trade post to make it clearer.

Logically you could delay trade as long as you want if it passes through you, but if you did so A) You don't ever get the resources yourself (they disappear for the whole transit time), and B) You would have to make clear that you were putting a delay on the trade beforehand.

[Rolepgeek]

So like I said.

C1--------------------------------------------------------C2 takes 1 turn.

C1---C2-C3--C4---C5 takes four, to go from C1 to C5 if all the cities belong to different players.

That seems...off, to me. Especially since if there was a road adjacent to the city that thusly continued the road without entering the city, it would take less time. Which is really weird.

[lemon10]

No.

C1------------------------------------------------C2 takes 1 turn.

C1---C2-C3--C4---C5 takes one turn as well.


C1---C2           C3--C4---C5 takes two turns.

P1---P2           C1---C2---C3 also takes two turns. (The P's are ports by the way).

E: Just waiting on tryrar (for both Orangeworld and Zanz's auto (assuming he is willing to auto him)).

[Rolepgeek]

Ah, I see. Different cities unconnected by roads belonging to the same player who is willing to facilitate trade.

That makes more sense.