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[The Froggy Ninja]

If Froggy wanted to be in the game, then he should have put more effort into his character, seeing as how the OP specifically asked for detail.

I meant to be vague especially with my goals as I am chaotic and undefined.

The problem I have with this is that it's in serious danger of being a boring blob. It's similar to the "evil villain" problem- if you make your villain "evil" and not much else because "they're a villain," they tend to come out flat and uninteresting. Making a chaos god vague and ill-defined because chaos is prone to essentially the same issue.
Or, put another way, I want eight hopefully interesting characters, not seven hopefully interesting characters and an incoherent force, or seven hopefully interesting characters and then whatever comes out of the mystery box.

Agreed.
And we don't really need a "designated villain," which is what the undefined chaos probably would be.

I would have to disagree. Chaos is change and randomness. Often due to most societies' obsession with order chaotic people are portrayed as evil. If designed/played right a truly chaotic character can prove to be a rare neutral party as they simply don't care about the orderly and arbitrary boundaries between two different sides. They can appear evil if they specifically try to cause chaos among people which is generally harmful but if they are simply trying to change the environment and "rules of the game" then they can be very interesting especially if they don't have any well defined or long term goals. I chose my odd avatar because I consider a four armed goat-legged mountain man with the tongue of a dragon just the kind of shape the embodiment of chaos would take if restricted to one form as it makes very little sense and incorporates images of things both "good" and "evil".

[Worldmaster27]

...Your avatar is a frog in a ninja sock, who was stabbed in the side.

[GreatWyrmGold]

GWG, I'm gonna try making a planet of creatures without blood of any equivalent, but the normal lifeforms will have blood for convenience's sake.

Neat. Might I suggest looking into cnidarians and other such organisms with no bloody substances?

-snip-

That's what a good chaos deity can be. Yours? Vague enough to look more like the boring evil standard villain.
"No long-term goals" can as easily mean "new random evil plot each week" ad "wants to mess with things," and your lack of any goals (even "keep things interesting"--not a great goal either, but better than a row of ?'s) suggests more the former. "Random avatar" doesn't mean much. "Mixes elements of good and evil" can as easily mean "trying not to look like an obvious villain" as "mixture of good and evil," which is irrelevant since all of those traits are either more associated with evil (goat legs, arguably dragon's tongue) or neutral (other stuff). I could go on, but you didn't provide us much to do so with...which is really the biggest problem. It looked like you hadn't put much effort into the sheet, which lead to the assumption that A. you didn't put much more work into the "secret" goals/plans/whatever that you didn't include in the Goals section; B. you don't think much of this game and/or want an easy place to "turn off your brain"; and C. you didn't invest much in the game, so why should you benefit more than someone who did (and who probably also has a more interesting god)?

[~Neri]

GWG, I'm gonna try making a planet of creatures without blood of any equivalent, but the normal lifeforms will have blood for convenience's sake.

Neat. Might I suggest looking into cnidarians and other such organisms with no bloody substances?

-snip-

That's what a good chaos deity can be. Yours? Vague enough to look more like the boring evil standard villain.
"No long-term goals" can as easily mean "new random evil plot each week" ad "wants to mess with things," and your lack of any goals (even "keep things interesting"--not a great goal either, but better than a row of ?'s) suggests more the former. "Random avatar" doesn't mean much. "Mixes elements of good and evil" can as easily mean "trying not to look like an obvious villain" as "mixture of good and evil," which is irrelevant since all of those traits are either more associated with evil (goat legs, arguably dragon's tongue) or neutral (other stuff). I could go on, but you didn't provide us much to do so with...which is really the biggest problem. It looked like you hadn't put much effort into the sheet, which lead to the assumption that A. you didn't put much more work into the "secret" goals/plans/whatever that you didn't include in the Goals section; B. you don't think much of this game and/or want an easy place to "turn off your brain"; and C. you didn't invest much in the game, so why should you benefit more than someone who did (and who probably also has a more interesting god)?

I have to agree with this honestly.

And I'm thinking of a couple different types of organisms, I'll look into those though, thanks for the suggestion.

[The Froggy Ninja]

GWG, I'm gonna try making a planet of creatures without blood of any equivalent, but the normal lifeforms will have blood for convenience's sake.

Neat. Might I suggest looking into cnidarians and other such organisms with no bloody substances?

-snip-

That's what a good chaos deity can be. Yours? Vague enough to look more like the boring evil standard villain.
"No long-term goals" can as easily mean "new random evil plot each week" ad "wants to mess with things," and your lack of any goals (even "keep things interesting"--not a great goal either, but better than a row of ?'s) suggests more the former. "Random avatar" doesn't mean much. "Mixes elements of good and evil" can as easily mean "trying not to look like an obvious villain" as "mixture of good and evil," which is irrelevant since all of those traits are either more associated with evil (goat legs, arguably dragon's tongue) or neutral (other stuff). I could go on, but you didn't provide us much to do so with...which is really the biggest problem. It looked like you hadn't put much effort into the sheet, which lead to the assumption that A. you didn't put much more work into the "secret" goals/plans/whatever that you didn't include in the Goals section; B. you don't think much of this game and/or want an easy place to "turn off your brain"; and C. you didn't invest much in the game, so why should you benefit more than someone who did (and who probably also has a more interesting god)?

The idea wasn't so much he has no goals it's more specifically no long term goals. He would basically do whatever came to mind without specifically trying to hurt people as you say with "new random evil plot each week" and more likely would help people (as well as changing their plans with his own input) as that would lead to greater change randomness and chaos. Also as for mix of good and evil I meant all of them are neutral as in modern media all of those have been traits of both heroes and villains. I'm also "trying not to look like an obvious villain" because I do not intend to be one. I'm also not trying to "turn off my brain" as how I intend to play this character is not mindlessly chaotic but more over active in his ideas. I invest the same amount in all games at the start and am not implying that Lyeos did not make a good character or is less worthy than me. My main idea was for my character to start random and goalless and to retain at least some of that throughout the game while still progressing his character and his relationships with others.

[GreatWyrmGold]

The problem is that you're claiming all these things without anything to back them up. You say that you have non-long-term goals, but didn't list them in your character sheet. You say you want to not be a villain, but you haven't given anything to suggest that. You say you don't want to turn your brain off, but your character sheet lacks any evidence of it having been on during the creation. Okay, the parallelism made that harsher than intended, but seriously, that was uninspired.

[Samarkand]

The problem is that you're claiming all these things without anything to back them up. You say that you have non-long-term goals, but didn't list them in your character sheet. You say you want to not be a villain, but you haven't given anything to suggest that. You say you don't want to turn your brain off, but your character sheet lacks any evidence of it having been on during the creation. Okay, the parallelism made that harsher than intended, but seriously, that was uninspired.

Seconded.

The only goal you might have been listing is raising eyebrows, and if that is the case your sheet has already accomplished your goal.

[~Neri]

I personally think you put no effort into a character for a game that specifically requested effort Froggy.

[IronyOwl]

I think you guys are being a bit harsh on Froggy. It's true that most of his character sheet makes me wince, but he did have one interesting bit:

Personality
Generally fun based but has a surprisingly strong moral compass.

Plus, his main rival has a lot of the same issues:

Personality: It flip-flops. Will try to help you one minute, then try to kill you the next. To be more specific, Rassura is slightly crazy, so he has multiple personalities.
Goals: Play everyone against each other so chaos will win in the end. Or make things fun! Whichever comes first!

I like his physical description a lot, and obviously his name is better... but a bipolar multiple personality chaos god isn't exactly immune to the same concerns a blank one is.


In more general news, character selection is more difficult than I was expecting. Baldman's in particular is riding the line between interesting and headache.

[Lyeos]

I can change it if you want. I suppose Froggy could too, though.

[IronyOwl]

I kind of don't want to hang up the game having everyone do endless rewrites, but if you think you can make some helpful adjustments then I don't see why not.

[The Froggy Ninja]

The problem is that you're claiming all these things without anything to back them up. You say that you have non-long-term goals, but didn't list them in your character sheet. You say you want to not be a villain, but you haven't given anything to suggest that. You say you don't want to turn your brain off, but your character sheet lacks any evidence of it having been on during the creation. Okay, the parallelism made that harsher than intended, but seriously, that was uninspired.

I did not list my shot term goals because they do not currently exist. This character's goals are based almost entirely on the people and world around him. I have not shown any proof that I don't want to be a villain (except my personality section) be cause I don't want to be a hero either. My character sheet is largely bare because he and his actions are based largely on his environment. The problem is that I am trying to build a neutral, adaptable character and that is hard to put into a static character sheet.

[Worldmaster27]

Can you post who you have decided to accept? You could also have people vote on the undecided ones, if you aren't sure who to chose.

[Lyeos]

Done. I don't know if you would consider it "better", and I realized that there are some aspects of Kevak's apparently many of the others' characters' in it after I typed it up, but it's all I have in me right now. Dang, I need to be more original. Although I suppose everyone's idea of "balance" will be different.

[IronyOwl]

The problem is that I am trying to build a neutral, adaptable character and that is hard to put into a static character sheet.

The real problem, I think, is that a perfectly neutral, adaptable character is literally just a blank sheet. You kind of need to break with your own concept to pull it off successfully, which is both counterintuitive and requires some potentially difficult decisions.

Can you post who you have decided to accept? You could also have people vote on the undecided ones, if you aren't sure who to chose.

This will probably be necessary. Um. I do have my little unedited notes here, I suppose I could let people peer into my brainmeats directly...

Spoiler: Notes Never Intended For Release (click to show/hide)

Firalk Nivorik (Kevak), the Hyper White Wolf. Aspect of Life.
//Very neat. Bouncy life puppy.

Mort (Pancaek), the Dutiful Black Spider. Aspect of Death.
//Standard dutiful death god, eh. Also, "Mort?" Really?

Vanhurk Dorein (Zalkoz), the Noble Silver Bear. Aspect of Order.
//Wheeee pallybear!

Quinghai (GWG), the Calm Golden Sea Serpent. Aspect of Water.
//A bit on the dull side, plus the "excessive vengeance thing" sounds like adding disruptive to boring.

Aquilos (Beirus), the Impulsize Serpent. Aspect of Air.
//A bit manic and vague, but not necessarily bad.

//Uncontested within their fields, so that's good. As far as oveall merits, Life and Order are in, Death is bland but acceptable, Water is bland with a tinge of worrisome but acceptable, Air is a bit vague but acceptable.


Enkisar (Worldmaster), the Patient Brown Dragon. Aspect of Earth.
//Stereotypical slow earth thing.

Ormo'gom/Mog'omro (Propman), the Whimsical Golden Trousers. Aspect of Earth.
//Decent creation-stealer, except for the hurrr break physics thing, vague goals, and complete lack of obvious ties to Earth.

//Purely on this matchup, Enkisar wins on relevance. Really, I'm not sure Trousers fits an Aspect well enough to really win. Probably not far from any of them, but...


Nohpalli (Wwolin), Gluttonous Black Eidolon. Aspect of Fire.
//Greedy mobster-thug, essentially. Gluttonous but willing to work together.

Rotnus (blazing glory), the Judgmental White Serpent. Aspect of Fire.
//Interesting judge concept, marred by weird "tends to not show emotion" warning sign/thing of unclear meaning.

Karb'ring-Transmuter, Riddle of Enthalpy (Baldman), the Inquisitive Beige Gnome. Aspect of Fire.
//BAAAAALDMAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! Bizarre as usual, with some interesting bits but also worrying aspects. Hard to say.

//Eh... this one's kind of a tossup. Not sure if any of them are enough to challenge a different element.


Rassura (Lyeos), the Erratic Black Shark. Aspect of Chaos.
//Standard multiple personality vague chaos thing, blegh.

ZORLOC BLOODLORD OF KITTENS (Froggy), the Blank Beige Troll. Aspect of Chaos.
//"Fun based but surprisingly strong moral compass" sounds interesting. Everything else seems pretty eh.

//Tough. Chaos is a hard beast to tame, apparently.

In essence:

Order and Life are neat and I like them.
Air, Water, and Death are okay, but I have minor quibbles with them in one form or another.
Earth is a contest between okay but not great and something that really doesn't seem to have any Earth influences at all. I do want people to get creative with their personalities and such, but Trousers really reads like what it is- a concept that's completely unrelated to its Aspect.
Chaos is a tossup between two stereotypically vague Chaos things. I like certain parts of each better than the other.
Fire is a really tough one. Boundless Gluttony is probably my first stable choice, with Judging Serpent close but second. Gnomedome's one of those wonky things that's anywhere from first to last place.

Done. I don't know if you would consider it "better", and I realized that there are some aspects of Kevak's apparently many of the others' characters' in it after I typed it up, but it's all I have in me right now. Dang, I need to be more original. Although I suppose everyone's idea of "balance" will be different.

I like this one more now. Much more personality, but still recognizable as a Chaos entity.