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[Orange Wizard]

This thread is still going?

[WoobMonkey]

Of course it isn't.  It never was, as the word 'going' has a very strict definition in the field of expertology.

People are, however, still posting to it.  Wait, no, that's wrong, too - a 'post' is a type of pole, often associated with fencing.

Wait, no, that's wrong, too - a 'Pole' is a person of Polish descent, and 'fencing' is a stylized form of dueling with rapiers and epees.

That can't be right, either, though, as 'descent' is vertical movement toward the centre of mass.

Wait, no - 'mass' is a Catholic ceremony. 

and on and on and on and on and on

[Man In Zero G]

This thread is still going?

Yes. Some people just like to argue. A lot. About trivial stuff on the internet.

Like how a joke image doesn't use the strictly technical definition of a phrase for the sake of the humor in said joke, and that is apparently irksome.

[sal880612m]

Of course it isn't.  It never was, as the word 'going' has a very strict definition in the field of expertology.

People are, however, still posting to it.  Wait, no, that's wrong, too - a 'post' is a type of pole, often associated with fencing.

Wait, no, that's wrong, too - a 'Pole' is a person of Polish descent, and 'fencing' is a stylized form of dueling with rapiers and epees.

That can't be right, either, though, as 'descent' is vertical movement toward the centre of mass.

Wait, no - 'mass' is a Catholic ceremony. 

and on and on and on and on and on

This was great

[imlovinit]

This thread started out at something no one cared about and lo and behold it stayed that way. Being living proof people will for ten straight days argue about absolutely nothing.

[Orange Wizard]

This thread started out at something no one cared about and lo and behold it stayed that way. Being living proof people will for ten straight days argue about absolutely nothing.

That's not true!

[Witty]

Yep, it's time

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[Dyret]

What's the best way to get into spiderman again anyway, because last I checked the comics were following a weird and confusing story arc, and the films and games were awful.

[Lyeos]

What's the best way to get into spiderman again anyway, because last I checked the comics were following a weird and confusing story arc, and the films and games were awful.

You're missing the point.

Yep, it's time

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Obviously he/she/them/it meant that the problem with the graphs is that nobody has plugged Spider-Man into the equation. Obviously.

[hops]

What do you guys think of the new Spiderman film? I haven't got around to watching it yet.

[sal880612m]

Spiderman comics just relaunched Amazing Spiderman with a brand new first issue, a lot has changed but seeing as the story is set up in such a way that things are getting explained to Peter there will be enough there to catch you up. Depending on why you left you may not want to get back into them.

I enjoyed the first The Amazing Spider-man, I think some people felt it tried to do too much between presenting an origin story for Spider-man and the Lizard and setting things up for later on. I never really take it that way, with it being so close to the last incarnation I felt like they intentionally shifted focus away from Spidey's origin so as not to bore viewers by going over the same ground.

The Amazing Spider-man 2 however did suffer from trying to do too much in my opinion. I would wait for it to leave theaters to see it.

Ending of Spider-man 2 Spoilers:

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They did one thing pretty much right, and maybe it's horrible of me but having Gwen die was re-affirming in some ways. All too often Hollywood will ignore the source and force a happy ending, and while they changed some things about it, it was close enough to work for me.

[GavJ]

The term you're trying to force everyone to use in a specific way is only used in that way within a specific field.

The term that matters for my point is, ultimately, the term "curve"

Curve, in the context of any graph, means a line on the graph. That is one of it not just in psychology, but in every scientific field, and in the media, and the military, and in business, and in pure math, and in philosophy, and colloquially too.

In common language, it has a different definition.

No, even in common language, "curve" means a line on a graph, in the context of a graph. And I've said in almost every post that the context I'm talking about is only graphs, not conversation.

So if it's titled "Learning curve" then the curve in the graph needs to be a curve of learning. If it isn't, then the graph is simply wrong, because your title is lying.  It would be equally wrong if it were a graph labeled "shoe size curve" that plotted foot odor. Or a "temperature curve" titled graph that plotted rainfall. Or a "Height curve" titled graph that plotted caloric intake.

If and when you actually plot the curve that you promised in your title (a learning curve plotting learning, duh!), then what you get for dwarf fortress is a shallower curve than for other games. Therefore, in graphs titled "learning curve graphs" a learning curve can only be shallow for a difficult to learn game.





In a verbal conversation, things can be totally different. A "steep learning curve" can refer to a difficult to learn game in non-graphed conversation with zero issues or confusion. I agree. But that is not what I'm talking about.

[Putnam]

"It" in that second quote refers specifically to the term "learning curve", not the word "curve", so... what?

Also, DF isn't a game where learning takes a long time; in fact, I'd say goes in large jumps at a time. So yes, it has a steep (if periodic) learning curve by your definition.

[GavJ]

Also, DF isn't a game where learning takes a long time; in fact, I'd say goes in large jumps at a time. So yes, it has a steep (if periodic) learning curve by your definition.

Even if this is true (which it wasn't for me, but maybe for you), the graphs do an even WORSE job of showing the pattern you just described...  None of them depict learning the game in multiple separate bursts of any slope.

So if they were trying to do that, they suffer from complete failure, not just mediocrely confusing mismatched axes / titles.

[Orange Wizard]

Guuuys, stop trying to derail the thread. I don't know a great deal about Spiderman other than he prances around in a tight suit spraying sticky white goo everywhere.