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[LordBucket]

Would someone explain to me exactly what the point of mage/thaum/etc craft are? I've been watching a mod spotlight video for ten minutes, and so far as I can tell it seems like these mods just create massively complicated systems for doing completely trivial things. Like, gather specialty materials to create specialty tools that allow you to create specialty devices that allow you to destroy specialty objects to turn them into different specialty objects....that can be used as a light or heat source. You know...like lava. Or give more uses to a tool.

Is there something I'm missing here? What do these mods do other than add materials that allow you to create materials for the purpose of creating materials that create materials that do exactly the same things as vanilla?

[WillowLuman]

More decorative blocks? IDK. I've heard something about wands that shoot lightning, so there's offensive stuff maybe.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

   To be fair after you get past automation of stuff most mods are basically just adding more stuff which is cool, not just the magic mods. Though the magic based ones tend to either have a spell system, a ritual system, or both it tends to come down to flavor. It is minecraft after all and a large part will be some form of resource manipulation. A few mods add more enemies and sometimes bosses but really the difference between tech mods and magic mods is what flavor you like. Golems from thaumcraft are another form of automation and not even that efficient of one but a lot of people use them because the flavor and style is worth it to them.

[LordBucket]

Another 20 minute video later, and I finally found some substance. Blocks that make you run faster, wards, levitation, smelters, an autominer, magic mirrors...there do seem to be some actually useful things.

automation of stuff

what flavor you like

Yeah. A lot of what I'm seeing looks like the design philosophy was "Redstone is too difficult, so let's make a Harry Potter mod." Chest that auto-grabs things dropped on it? Ok, that's great...but it's basically a chest with a hopper. Levitation block? Ok, very convenient...but there are a bunch of types of redstone elevators and there are ender pearls if you want a vertical shaft without the space requirements of an elevator. Complicated system of iron detection and mining and specialty picks that give extra iron and furnaces that smelt extra ingots? ...ok, but...iron farm?

As you say, flavor...but as somebody who's comfortable with redstone, I'm skeptical of "make things to make things to make things to make things" that do exactly the same thing...but it's magic! It's like 40 minutes of tutorials on how to collect dshhfl that can be used to make asdhsdjka that collect fhjhjfhjffsk that build hfdhjshskdhfsdfsddsffs that....ugh. The five minute tutorial of gathering and transmuting various magic-themed stuff with a final payoff of..."makes a light source" just really killed it for me.

I don't know. Maybe I'll give it a try. Haven't seen anyone on the vanilla server in a week.

[WillowLuman]

That's funny, a week was exactly how long I've been on vacation

Anyway, I've tracked down some wolves, so if anyone on the vanilla server wants dogs, I'd be happy to supply puppies.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

   It looks like the pack has blood magic (though of note, all my knowledge of what is in the pack comes from dling it and taking a quick look in the zip folder) in it which has quite a interesting magic spell system in it (technically 2 spell systems though the one I am referring to with this is the advanced one which you can see direwolf explain starting here) and there also seems to be witchery which has some interesting pvp stuff which is fairly unique. Also as for the redstone replacement type stuff that tends to be a matter of space saving though since it is magic you don't have the really good example of any of the redpower knock off type stuff involved. But yeah, do you like magic fluff? Yes? Then you will love the flavor. No? Then it is like the tech mods but flashier. Yes thaumcraft has wands that let you shoot lighting as well as having golems, yes blood magic has amazing multiblock rituals, and yes witchery/botania lets you use nature as your magic source in one way or another but in the end it is still Minecraft. You start by punching trees and you end by taking something expensive and putting it in a n shape so you can have a helmet others will envy.

[WillowLuman]

According to the minecraft bug tracker, wolves follow the spawning rules of passive mobs, but the despawn rules of hostile mobs, so when I went to get my bones, they were gone. And I'll have to loiter in the same area for weeks to get another chance. Damn. Sorry guys.

EDIT: But fortunately I found some more while wandering aimlessly! Now to get back to civilization without them dying.

EDIT: Alright, got all 4 wolves secured inside my ice building. I'll start breeding them tomorrow with a stack of cooked chicken.

[Ultimuh]

I wandered into the wilderness and now I am lost.
Also, there seem to be taint everywhere I go.
For someone with only iron-tier tools and no armor, that's a bad thing.

[KingofstarrySkies]

Taint is assrape. I thought it could've been fun. Could've been tamable.

Oh Science, I was wrong.

[Ultimuh]

Well, it might be fun.. Dwarf fortress kind of fun.

[WillowLuman]

Well, no one's on the server, but I'll keep building an agridome. Lonely though

[Ultimuh]

Great.. now I'm stuck behind a thaumcraft Door deep underground at coords -547 +711

edit: Either someone here is a big troll, or the mod developer decided these starvation traps was a good idea.

[KingofstarrySkies]

Don't worry, I'm about to come onto the Magecraft server. FRIENDSHIP~

[WillowLuman]

Well, I'm on the unmodded server, but Ultimah probably needs help more than I do.

[KingofstarrySkies]

I HAST SAVETHED ULTIMUH! He was deep, deep underneath the ground. Fighting through taint, hunger, and a fuckton of stone, I prevailed, and saved the poor soul. I AM A HERO!

Edit: I also now have LOADS of Stone. I plan on building a massive brick tower. Anyone wanna help?