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[tn5421]

Our Lord teaches that the chicken came before the egg, for that is how He intended it.

[Tawa]

So, GWG, what do you think of the no-nights system?

[tn5421]

So, GWG, what do you think of the no-nights system?

HE LIVES!

[Elephant Parade]

So, GWG, what do you think of the no-nights system?

Tawrochir: Care to explain your absence?

[GreatWyrmGold]

Is that all anyone cares about here in Mafia? Victory, however boring it is? Even if you don't participate in it?

No, but you should always help your team win, even if it makes the game somewhat less fun for you.

And how does this tie to the original issue, which was based on "your team can win even if your die"?

I think you're taking this a bit too seriously. We can't all get gold stars for participation. Someone has to eventually get lynched, night-killed, or what-have-you. If it happens to be you, well, tough luck. It's a learning experience and, for some of us, it's the part that's fun and exciting.

Someone has to be lynched, but it's perfectly reasonable for someone to not want it to be them, so that isn't any kind of proof that such a person is a Mafia.

Again, context of the game. A cigar is never just a cigar within Mafia. Even if it is.

And you say I'm taking things too seriously. You're taking the game so seriously that it's going to screw with your ability to play the game!

So, GWG, what do you think of the no-nights system?

It's...a system. I'm not sure how it's different than normal Mafia. I guess there's less of a delay between turns?
This is my first Mafia game.

"Heresy! Everyone knows the chickens came first from the ground. Now I have my eye on you, Elephant Parade."

"Chickens did not come from the ground, they came from God."

My thoughts exactly. Also, there were non-chicken eggs before chickens.

"Eggs from what, praytell? The fishes and fowl were the first living things God created."

[Elephant Parade]

And how does this tie to the original issue, which was based on "your team can win even if your die"?

...How does it not tie in? I was saying that you should always help your team win, even if it leads to your death; that's because you win even if you die.

Someone has to be lynched, but it's perfectly reasonable for someone to not want it to be them, so that isn't any kind of proof that such a person is a Mafia.

Normally, I'd say you're wrong, since most people know that as town, you shouldn't really worry about dying. I mean, it's best to survive, obviously, but it's more important to scumhunt than it is to defend yourself.

However, darkpaladin is new, so he might just be more focused on survival than winning. I know I was pretty irritated when I got nightkilled N1 in my first game; dying early is incredibly frustrating.

Thus, his reaction is something of a null tell. I think I may browse through old BM games to see how newbies generally react to being voted, since I may be completely wrong.

[Tawa]

So, GWG, what do you think of the no-nights system?

Tawrochir: Care to explain your absence?

Forgot about the game until Perseus PM'ed me telling me I'd be modkilled if I didn't post by day's end.

[Scripten]

Alright, it looks like Tawarochir is in the clear.

Unvote

GWG: I'd love to keep discussing this, but we're not going anywhere productive with this line of conversation. It's almost as if you're trying to stall for some reason.

[Elephant Parade]

So, GWG, what do you think of the no-nights system?

Tawrochir: Care to explain your absence?

Forgot about the game until Perseus PM'ed me telling me I'd be modkilled if I didn't post by day's end.

Tawochir: Do you use the "show new replies" menu? If so, you should have been able to see it, since it stands out due to being pinned.

[TheDarkStar]

GWG: I'd love to keep discussing this, but we're not going anywhere productive with this line of conversation. It's almost as if you're trying to stall for some reason.

When you're trying to suggest someone's scumminess, it's usually better to use questions, since that forces them to act.

Votecount, please?

[Persus13]

Votecount:
1. Elephant Parade {0}-
2. Tawarochir {0}-
3. GreatWyrmGold {1}- Tawarochir
4. Darkpaladin109 {2}- tn5421, TheDarkStar
5. Scriptin {0}-
6. tn5421 {1}-GWG
7. TheDarkStar (IC) {0}-

Day will end in slightly over 4 hours at 11 PM EST.

[Elephant Parade]

I find it very interesting that you're still voting darkpaladin, TheDarkStar. Personally, I think darkpaladin's defensiveness is just from him being a newbie (heck, as a newbie, he might not even know that surviving is much more important when you're mafia). Are you trying to get an innocent townie lynched? Because that's what it looks like to me.

Admittedly, darkpaladin's behavior has been somewhat suspicious.

[Scripten]

I had actually, despite my arguments for his actions suggesting scumminess, not believed that darkpaladin was mafia. However, he's been decidedly absent lately. Any explanation for this, darkpaladin?

[GreatWyrmGold]

And how does this tie to the original issue, which was based on "your team can win even if your die"?

...How does it not tie in? I was saying that you should always help your team win, even if it leads to your death; that's because you win even if you die.

Well, there's two things. First, you're back to implicitly saying that winning is more important than, say, having fun. Second, you're failing to explain how dying could help your team.

GWG: I'd love to keep discussing this, but we're not going anywhere productive with this line of conversation. It's almost as if you're trying to stall for some reason.

Mostly because I'm trying to figure out if mafia games are ever any fun to play, or if they're always like this.

[TheDarkStar]

GWG: I'd love to keep discussing this, but we're not going anywhere productive with this line of conversation. It's almost as if you're trying to stall for some reason.

Mostly because I'm trying to figure out if mafia games are ever any fun to play, or if they're always like this.

This mafia game is set up differently from the usual in that it's faster with less players, so power roles have a much smaller effect. For a very different kind of game, play a role-heavy one like Paranormal or one of the games that has massive rule changes.

I find it very interesting that you're still voting darkpaladin, TheDarkStar. Personally, I think darkpaladin's defensiveness is just from him being a newbie (heck, as a newbie, he might not even know that surviving is much more important when you're mafia). Are you trying to get an innocent townie lynched? Because that's what it looks like to me.

Admittedly, darkpaladin's behavior has been somewhat suspicious.

I'll decide on unvoting when he responds. At this point, unvoting would mean tying the vote.