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Author Topic: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed  (Read 26472 times)

moghopper

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Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
« Reply #285 on: June 03, 2014, 05:07:08 pm »

Jomon, do you want to keep going? Or do you want me to set you to AI?
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Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
« Reply #286 on: June 03, 2014, 05:10:13 pm »

Mercs are great for expanding, considering your own troops are terrible. You'll also probably want to get an awake pretender for even more expansion, and to counter any rushes by other SCs/horrifying blessed critters. Eventually you'll need to rely on your own troops - I've had some success with using the grand princes / veliki knyazi (wonder if that's the correct plural form) with some +leadership/inspiration items, it really helps with the terrible morale. Depending on what you need, you'll want to consider carefully what troops you recruit - only the peshtsi spearmen have map movement 2. It's really, really slow to use the peasants or the slower peshtsi.

The real power of Bogarus is in its mages, though, and that power is incredible. It's not completely unjustified to call for people to rush Bogarus before it grows too strong (that's why you have the SC pretender). The power is in massing evocations and having the communion potential to cast pretty much anything outside of nature and water spells, considering all your mages have astral levels (save for the five-fold angels, but they can join your communion anyway if you really need them to). A quick and easy way to get powerful mages is to go for Evocation 4 for Thunder Strike and thaumaturgy for communions - presto, you can now use your astrapelagists for the rest of the game to destroy most things. Other spells include (but not limited to) magma eruption, nether darts, pillar of fire, flame storm, shimmering fields... You can pretty much do anything you dream up, as long as you have enough forts and money to pump out those mages.

Blood is amazing for Bogarus, I think, since it offers both a way to skip sites for magical income (it can get really ugly) and a way to summon all sorts of actually good troops and commanders to thug/cast with. It also makes an already powerful late game into a potentially ridiculous late game. You'll want to hunt in provinces with populations ranging from 5000-8000, since that's where the population is just high enough not to damage your chances to find blood slaves, and not too high that your income would plummet from the quickly rising unrest. You'll probably want to hunt with your cabalists, since the five-fold angels are pretty expensive, and a bit harder to leverage into a force to actually do battle with. Of course, if you've got a good lump of fivefold angels, you can shut down forts with unrest from instilling an uprising and the native unrest increase... but yeah, that's up to you to consider in whatever strategic circumstance you find yourself in.

I'm not a very good guide, sorry.

PS. You should really study the stuff on communions in the manual. If you don't, you'll probably lose a lot of mages to silliness (I know I did), to stuff like mixing slaves with paths X with masters with paths Y - if the master is casting in paths that the slave either doesn't have or isn't good enough in, there's a massive penalty of 4X fatigue, which really goes counter with what communions are supposed to do.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2014, 05:12:48 pm by lijacote »
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Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
« Reply #287 on: June 03, 2014, 08:53:39 pm »

Yeah, I don't fully understand communions though.  But thanks for the guide, that actually helped!  I'll have to play around in singleplayer a bit to get a feel for them.
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Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
« Reply #288 on: June 04, 2014, 04:55:12 am »

Jomon, do you want to keep going? Or do you want me to set you to AI?
I wouldn't want to dissapoint anyone, but on the other hand I've gives up on winning, which is the only thing you strive for in this game.
We could, if the other players don't mind.
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Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
« Reply #289 on: June 04, 2014, 12:43:31 pm »

Well, either that or we skip your turn.
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Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
« Reply #290 on: June 04, 2014, 12:57:13 pm »

Well I guess you can go ahead them.
I hope the other players don't mind.
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Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
« Reply #291 on: June 04, 2014, 01:25:44 pm »

Well I guess you can go ahead them.
I hope the other players don't mind.

Looks like you have to set it to AI.
Turns out the option to do so on llamaserver does nothing...
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Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
« Reply #292 on: June 04, 2014, 02:08:58 pm »

yay, let's have armies mass at my border :(
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Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
« Reply #293 on: June 04, 2014, 02:15:38 pm »

yay, let's have armies mass at my border :(

What you didn't know is that those troops are FULL OF CANDY!


Also, lessons learned thus far:

1. I failed to use mage power at all for combat, and this has cost me a great deal in the conflict with patala. Next time, communions everywhere.

2. Marignon needs to FOCUS its research. I've been to indecisive with this, and it has bit me in the ass.

3. I still hate monkey nations
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Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
« Reply #294 on: June 05, 2014, 07:55:43 pm »

Aw yes. Bogarus is finally defeated!

Spoiler: Party Time! (click to show/hide)

Of course more than half of my forces are horribly maimed and mangled, but... at least I finally beat them?
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Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
« Reply #295 on: June 06, 2014, 12:04:36 am »

Looks like it's time for gift of health if you have the research.

In unrelated news who wants to pool astrals for a dispel?
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Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
« Reply #296 on: June 06, 2014, 12:07:44 am »

Aw yes. Bogarus is finally defeated!

Spoiler: Party Time! (click to show/hide)

Of course more than half of my forces are horribly maimed and mangled, but... at least I finally beat them?
My kin... I will come to liberate you after I am done liberating the people in Peliwyr. Random Generated Map Mark 3, you are next!
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« Last Edit: June 06, 2014, 12:09:45 am by lijacote »
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Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
« Reply #297 on: June 06, 2014, 07:31:08 am »

Well, it seems I'm really quite bad at this.
(which I kinda expected)
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Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
« Reply #298 on: June 06, 2014, 09:16:11 am »

Looks like it's time for gift of health if you have the research.

I'm Midgard. Even if I had the magic paths I wouldn't have the gems.

My kin... I will come to liberate you after I am done liberating the people in Peliwyr. Random Generated Map Mark 3, you are next!
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I'm sorry, but when you come to Random Generated Map Mark 3 you'll find that your kin have been turned into spooky, spooky skeletons. I guarantee it.
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Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
« Reply #299 on: June 07, 2014, 04:25:39 am »

Wow I really need to be more careful with my communions. I've lost like 4-5 mages so far this game from bumping the 200 fatigue mark and killing them off. This time to PD. Worst part is only 1/4 of my smiths have that needed astral level.
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