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[4maskwolf]

So . . . nothing.

Why would you say

Also, note that he and Andrew are almost certainly not both scum

With such certainty if it only appears more likely:

Nothing, but it seems more likely in your case than with other people. The other possibility

than any other pair?  Thats a leap you, as a player of 'not-so-beginner' mafia should know not to make lightly.

It sounds like setting up a D3 lynch. :/

Im FOSing you.

I hate to answer other people's questions, but what that means is that you are not BOTH scum.  Unless you are Mastahcheese and myself, I have never seen a scumteam that throws itself into attacking each other vigorously in a two-scum game.

[Tack]

I hate to answer other people's questions.

How do you even play this game?

[pisskop]

I know what he was saying.  I am saying thathe cant say tgat with any degree of certainty unless he knows who scum is.  its a scumslip.

[4maskwolf]

I know what he was saying.  I am saying thathe cant say tgat with any degree of certainty unless he knows who scum is.  its a scumslip.

Or.. the fact that scum will do EVERYTHING they can not to go total bashing on each other.  It draws too much attention.  Unless you're in a game with inattentive players, it is a HUGE risk.  And when I say huge, I mean HUGE.  Particularly in a non-BM game, on day one.

[pisskop]

@4mask

So what if pkop/andrews is a town v. town?

He still cannot say with any certainty unless he knows who scum is.

on that note, Ill
unvote Andrews

vote Darkstar

[4maskwolf]

I hate to answer other people's questions.

How do you even play this game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w
Go to the five minute mark, what that guy yells is exactly what I thought when you said that.

[4maskwolf]

@4mask

So what if pkop/andrews is a town v. town?

He still cannot say with any certainty unless he knows who scum is.

on that note, Ill
unvote Andrews

vote Darkstar

... That is seriously the weakest case I have seen yet this game.  He doesn't claim to know that one of you is scum, he claims that both of you are not scum at the same time, which is a logical assumption.

[pisskop]

. . .  you are right.  my apologyes

[Jack A T]

Votecount:
*MyOwnWorstEnemy - (0)
*Tiruin - Tack (1)
*4maskwolf - (0)
*TheDarkStar - 4maskwolf, pisskop (2)
*Persus13 - (0)
*Andrew425 - The Soldier (1)
*The Soldier - (0)
*Tack - (0)
*pisskop - Tiruin, Andrew425, TheDarkStar (3)
Not Voting: MyOwnWorstEnemy, Persus13

Day ends 12:00 PM PST Wednesday, April 23rd.  That is to say, day ends in just over 4 hours.

MyOwnWorstEnemy has been prodded.

[pisskop]

Bump

[Silthuri]

College hit me hard for the past couple days. I'm back now though! 

Pisskop

Hopefully a wagon.  I maintain that votes are the town's single best [sometimes only] tool for getting information.  Wagons are the result of coordinated votes.  Thus, any wagon is a good wagon so long as it sparks discussion.

This sent up so many red flags for me. 1. You want a bandwagon. All that's going to do is maybe turn town on each other because I think most scum understand that bandwagoning just makes you suspicious and makes others want to lynch you. 2. Bandwagons aren't necessarily coordinated. Nor are all bandwagons good. All they seems to do is distract from scum hunting.

Further, why not put some pressure on someone with your vote? Surely some 'pointy questions' of your own can be of use finding scum, yes? You seem to have no suspicions as of yet.

The lurkers seem to be the best bet, atm. I don't know how this site generally flows, but given the general slow start (at least I perceive it that way) of this game the lurkers are a mixture of defensive town and mafia lurking because they can.  Also note that six people extended, while only four were required.  Not scummy, but something to watch imo.
Overall, I dislike those who seem to log in to provide 'adequate answers' but present no serious content of their own.  I cannot get a feel for their personality that way.

Like Andrew

If you have no reason to change then why are you doing that?
pisskop

Because they asked about it, and I learned the hard way that a small compromise is much better than sticking to your 'guns'.  Of course nevermind that it was mafia who blasted me on that, but . . . the town followed.


Andrew

You seem to say that the lurkers are most likely scum because you can't figure out their personality. Then you go on to vote Andrew. Again. If he were indeed scum, I highly doubt he'd get after you for unvoting him and draw more attention to himself. And then you change your vote yet again with no case whatsoever on TDS.
These are my thoughts after quickly reading through things to get my two cents in by the end of the day.

[pisskop]

This sent up so many red flags for me. 1. You want a bandwagon. All that's going to do is maybe turn town on each other because I think most scum understand that bandwagoning just makes you suspicious and makes others want to lynch you. 2. Bandwagons aren't necessarily coordinated. Nor are all bandwagons good. All they seems to do is distract from scum hunting.

So, everyone here has played scum.  So having played scum they would assume that scum wouldn't make wagons.  So you are saying I did an anti-scum thing (read protown) and you are voting me for it.  :/

Why would scum being too 'smart' to jump onto wagons result in town turning on town?

wrt 2)
I never said all were good, or all had to be coordinated.  Nor do I in any believe that they detract from scumhunting.

[pisskop]

Oh that's also L-1.

[Jack A T]

Oh that's also L-1.

Just to be absolutely clear: There are no hammers in this game.

[Jack A T]

Votecount:
*MyOwnWorstEnemy - (0)
*Tiruin - Tack (1)
*4maskwolf - (0)
*TheDarkStar - 4maskwolf, pisskop (2)
*Persus13 - (0)
*Andrew425 - The Soldier (1)
*The Soldier - (0)
*Tack - (0)
*pisskop - Tiruin, Andrew425, TheDarkStar, MyOwnWorstEnemy (4)
Not Voting: Persus13

Day ends in 25 minutes: 12:00 PM PST Wednesday, April 23rd.