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[a1s]

To me DDA is more Drive Cars+Accidents (D stands for "C+")

[Mephansteras]

Ah, cool. I've been meaning to keep an eye on this.

[raler]

This will be way better than DDA

[Aqizzar]

I will say I'm a little disappointed that's he's kept Cata's lackluster core interface, but he could always make any kind of changes.  I'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt too, I know Whales has said he basically learned how to code by making Cata, and everyone's first project tends to work like balls.  Also very glad to hear him mention Windows support from the start, instead of his old "if you can't be bothered to learn compiling Linux on a virtual box then I can't be bothered to care" attitude.

Personal opinions:
1) Even with the speed Whales is working at, IMO, it's going to be another month or two before he even hits the Cata 1 level of development, and with the speed C:DDA is developing at I'm not sure he will ever be able to "catch up" to it in terms of features (though he will certainly have an edge in some of the bigger ones due to not having to tear through all the old code).

And C:DDA will have working NPCs when?

[i2amroy]

Personal opinions:
1) Even with the speed Whales is working at, IMO, it's going to be another month or two before he even hits the Cata 1 level of development, and with the speed C:DDA is developing at I'm not sure he will ever be able to "catch up" to it in terms of features (though he will certainly have an edge in some of the bigger ones due to not having to tear through all the old code).

And C:DDA will have working NPCs when?

Soon^TM. If you'll notice from my post I did mention he would have an edge in the larger features, which NPC's are definitely one of. (We are making large strides in the Creatures class, each of which makes NPC's less buggy and closer to functioning well, but there's still a fair bit of old bad code to clear out that he won't have to deal with.) It's mainly just that when you have 50 or so people all actively developing one project and only 1 person really working on the other (and the 50-person project has a several year headstart) it makes it kinda difficult for the 1-person one to "catch up".

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I'm going to enjoy this.

[MasterFancyPants]

Personal opinions:
1) Even with the speed Whales is working at, IMO, it's going to be another month or two before he even hits the Cata 1 level of development, and with the speed C:DDA is developing at I'm not sure he will ever be able to "catch up" to it in terms of features (though he will certainly have an edge in some of the bigger ones due to not having to tear through all the old code).

And C:DDA will have working NPCs when?

Soon^TM. If you'll notice from my post I did mention he would have an edge in the larger features, which NPC's are definitely one of. (We are making large strides in the Creatures class, each of which makes NPC's less buggy and closer to functioning well, but there's still a fair bit of old bad code to clear out that he won't have to deal with.) It's mainly just that when you have 50 or so people all actively developing one project and only 1 person really working on the other (and the 50-person project has a several year headstart) it makes it kinda difficult for the 1-person one to "catch up".

Why do you DDA guys keep putting yourselfs at odds with Whales?
So much passive-aggression. Why do you care if he can "catch up" or not, he is working on his thing, you are working on yours. Both have a niche, it's not a race.

If anyone (including Whales himself) says that Cataclysm 2 is going to make Dark Days Ahead obsolete, ignore them. It's like saying that Fallout 3 made Fallout 2 obsolete.

[i2amroy]

I'll spoiler this since it's not really what this thread is here for.

Spoiler: DDA/C2 response (click to show/hide)

Why do you DDA guys keep putting yourselfs at odds with Whales?
So much passive-aggression. Why do you care if he can "catch up" or not, he is working on his thing, you are working on yours. Both have a niche, it's not a race.

Everything semi-aggressive I've said has been personal opinion, nothing to do with my opinion as a DDA developer (in fact I get the feeling most of the other DDA developers are much more chill with Whales then I am). I'm not gonna lie, I don't really like Whales, mostly due to his habit of taking the occasional potshot at DDA/it's devs or holding DDA up as an example of how C2 is "better", despite our position of wishing him well ever since he first announced it.

Just because C2 doesn’t have as much junk and pointless content as DDA, doesn’t mean it’s less complex.

as usual, my caveat: if you were playing DDA, I would assume that the feature was removed / edited into worthlessness

Anonymous asked: Will we be able to masturbate in Cataclysm 2?[...]

I’m sure this will be in DDA2 but not C2

I also think it’s a good indicator of how big of an improvement C2 is over C1/DDA.

He seems to have gotten better recently, but he especially seemed to have a very large chip on his shoulder in the beginning and was almost downright aggressive to us when we tried to wish him well right after he announced C2. As such I still respect him as a programmer, but he made enough of a bad impression that he's still got quite a ways to go before I look on him with much friendliness in my eyes.

If you want to discuss more on exactly why I don't like Whales feel free to PM me and I'll try to fill you in as best as I can, but I won't be responding to anything further on the topic in this thread, since it's here for Cata 2 discussion, not Cata2 vs. DDA discussion.
Once again, this post is my personal opinion, and has nothing to do with my point of view as a C:DDA dev or the views, personal or dev, of the other C:DDA devs..

[scrdest]

Jeez, Whales sounds more like LazyCat in those snippets.

[MasterFancyPants]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

 

I'll spoiler this since it's not really what this thread is here for.
[spoiler=DDA/C2 response]

Why do you DDA guys keep putting yourselfs at odds with Whales?
So much passive-aggression. Why do you care if he can "catch up" or not, he is working on his thing, you are working on yours. Both have a niche, it's not a race.

Everything semi-aggressive I've said has been personal opinion, nothing to do with my opinion as a DDA developer (in fact I get the feeling most of the other DDA developers are much more chill with Whales then I am). I'm not gonna lie, I don't really like Whales, mostly due to his habit of taking the occasional potshot at DDA/it's devs or holding DDA up as an example of how C2 is "better", despite our position of wishing him well ever since he first announced it.

Just because C2 doesn’t have as much junk and pointless content as DDA, doesn’t mean it’s less complex.

as usual, my caveat: if you were playing DDA, I would assume that the feature was removed / edited into worthlessness

Anonymous asked: Will we be able to masturbate in Cataclysm 2?[...]

I’m sure this will be in DDA2 but not C2

I also think it’s a good indicator of how big of an improvement C2 is over C1/DDA.

He seems to have gotten better recently, but he especially seemed to have a very large chip on his shoulder in the beginning and was almost downright aggressive to us when we tried to wish him well right after he announced C2. As such I still respect him as a programmer, but he made enough of a bad impression that he's still got quite a ways to go before I look on him with much friendliness in my eyes.

If you want to discuss more on exactly why I don't like Whales feel free to PM me and I'll try to fill you in as best as I can, but I won't be responding to anything further on the topic in this thread, since it's here for Cata 2 discussion, not Cata2 vs. DDA discussion.
Once again, this post is my personal opinion, and has nothing to do with my point of view as a C:DDA dev or the views, personal or dev, of the other C:DDA devs..

http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=4763.0

I would(n't) be surprised if he uses the same code where he left off, just because of all the advancements and clean ups the developers here did.

To be honest, I'll be really surprised if Cataclysm 2 ever gets even close to 'finished' since Whales doesn't exactly have a good track record when it comes to completing projects.

Now if he were to get a community of people working on it together, he would probably proceed much faster, and might even get close to having a full game when he inevitably runs out of giveacrap and starts some new project. But that's silly right? Obviously it would never work, having a bunch of people freely contributing their time to collaborate on making an awesome game.

Oh no, wait. It totally works, just look at us.

Whales will just steal the fame, rip off code, the(n) ditch the game.

From his description the surrounding water is just there to provide an impassable barrier, which means he's even less likely to add boats than we are.

And yea, if adding z-levels to DDA were as easy as adding it to a new game, it'd have been done months and months ago, but unfortunately it's not.  I could easlily write a roguelike engine with z-levels, but all I'd have is z-levels, it'd still be missing the rest of the game.  It's the whole package that's important.

Has anyone talking about how great C2 supposedly is actually you know, played it?

That's wishing him well?

Also, you guys did make a Kickstarter out of his work. DDA can add all the content it wants, it will still just be a mod for Cataclysm. Put that in context, if DDA was a mod for Skyrim would Bethesda ever allow you to have a Kickstarter? Remember, every time Whales talks bad about DDA. He is talking bad about his work, because it still is his work.

I'm trying not to pick a side, I think DDA is great and am sure Cataclysm 2 will be great; I'm trying to provide a third party perspective. Concerning the negativity surrounding these games, it seemed to start on the DDA side. I also know that you guys can't control all your fans, but they do represent your community. 

edit: Decided to spoiler that, because you are right; this could devolve into a flame war.

[a1s]

Put that in context, if DDA was a mod for Skyrim would Bethesda ever allow you to have a Kickstarter?

Seeing as how you have to buy Skyrim to use it, I don't really think they would mind. I've been wrong before, but it's hard for me to expect corporate entities to go against their financial interests.

[PrimusRibbus]

Also, you guys did make a Kickstarter out of his work. DDA can add all the content it wants, it will still just be a mod for Cataclysm. Put that in context, if DDA was a mod for Skyrim would Bethesda ever allow you to have a Kickstarter? Remember, every time Whales talks bad about DDA. He is talking bad about his work, because it still is his work.

If that was an issue for Whales then he should not have licensed Cataclysm under a copyleft license that explicitly allows the entire project, including the code, to be used commercially.

This is the original Cataclysm's license if you want to read it for yourself: https://github.com/Whales/Cataclysm/blob/master/LICENSE http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

[Sharp]

Alright guys calm down, I think we agree that maybe Whales and DDA team might not be on each others best friends list but maybe let's not try and stir up some drama, they are separate games.

The NPC faction gameplay looks interesting in Cata 2, I think I would be tempted just to play as a bystander for a few games and see which faction looks like they are going to win (and then maybe sabotage). Would also be interesting to see if a non-faction victory is possible which I think is a possibility so you the player can take over the world (or burn it all).

The Z-levels also look cool but I wonder how much they will factor into the game, zombies already have a hard time pathing at the moment so will be interesting to see how they react to someone on a Z-level above them, and much more hilariously to a Z-level below where they might decide to go out from the 3rd floor window.

[Cheedows]

Looks neat, I will definitely still play DDA but will see how this goes and progresses.

[Tawa]

OPINION TIME

-The game looks cool and I like the development of straightforward no-nonsense better than the "Hey guys we should add cars you can duct tape spikes onto oh and let's add fish too oh and how about we add swords with flamethrowers welded on them" approach to DDA.
-I don't, however, know whether or not it'll be better or worse than DDA, simply because I don't know exactly what Cata 2 is like.