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[Helgoland]

Vector, I've never heard of that sort of thing happen around here - to what degree was that kind of behaviour staff- or university-specific?

Also, people, please don't weigh evil against evil. That kind of argument is just not valid.

[GavJ]

Also, btw, anecdotes -- even though they aren't much in the way of data -- are still very important for a research-based approach, because they let you know where an effect might exist, such that it's worth going after with actual controlled experiments.

Scientists don't usually just strike about randomly in the dark and stumble upon things. Colloquial/anecdotal/gut feeling type stuff guides you to go out and look in those specific places to then try and confirm or deny the colloquial anecdotal suspicions.

Talking to any woman for 5 minutes about it, + plenty of my own observations as a male on the sidelines are more than sufficient to make it OBVIOUS that there's a ton of discrimination going on, as well as a legitimate ton of what people mean by "rape culture." Even a small segment of active support of rape, such as for vigilante punishment for various things, or simply in terms of certain people wanting to have sex with another person and not giving a crap about their feelings on the topic (i.e. extreme selfishness and sociopathy). I don't think the existence of any of these things is remotely debatable. Exactly how much is the only thing needing controlled experiments.

[alexandertnt]

In some places, post-modernism refuses to die.  One cannot meaningfully analyze anything outside of literal critique, when ideology trumps facts and evidence.  Once again, 'culture' is an aggregate term; it is the sum total of freely-chosen outlooks and actions, made by rational, individual agents.

Post-modernism is not feminism. Some parts of feminism might be post-modernist, but the whole is not.

Where?  Point to them, please.  The only place I've seen anyone defending or justifying rape (personal research alert - not to encyclopedic standards), has been the feminist canard that women cannot be rapists, ergo females in positions of authority who use said authority to have sexual relationships with minors are, in fact, not at fault.  Thankfully, the law says otherwise.

Recent republican talk on "legitimate" rape, or the idea that marital rape isn't rape somehow are more examples. There is also been some politicians throwing this idea of "forcible rape", i.e. if you don't or can't resist its somehow less bad.

I am not aware of any significant groups of feminists who say women can't rape, but if they exist they are wrong and don't represent the movement as a whole.

Men receive more, and longer, prison terms for the same crimes as women - yes, it's just a HuffPo article, but the research has been done.  And yet, for all the sabre-rattling over a negligible wage difference between men and women, this glaring discrepancy is met with the sounds of crickets chirping when presented to Feminist theorists.

The idea that if feminists don't talk (as much) about male issues makes them misandric is like saying the NAACP are racist towards white people.

Grants are available to women, by virtue of nothing more than their genitalia, that aren't availible to men  I'm living in Canada, so I've chosen Grants Canada as the exemplar.  To the best of my knowledge, this is equally true throughout the West.

This is affirmative action. It is designed help women get a better representation in areas there are few women in. However, there does exist debate among feminists as to whether this is actually helpful or harmful and the issue is not as simple as you make it sound. There is also debate as to how useful it is anymore given conditions for minorities have generally been improving.



The rest of your post, and most of your other posts, all falsely assume humans are rational. Humans make lots of their decisions from various heurists, e.g. "gut feelings". Humans can be rational, but are suprisingly often not.


EDIT: On rereading, some of my replies (including earlier posts) may have been somewhat cold or blunt, I have not had much sleep. For that I apologise.

[Redzephyr01]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't women the majority of college students?

[Vector]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't women the majority of college students?

Yes, because a woman needs a four-year degree to have the earning power of a man with an AA. If I remember correctly, it's not a large gap either--something like 3 percentage points? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, folks.

I'll reply to the other stuff a bit later.

[palsch]

Yes, because a woman needs a four-year degree to have the earning power of a man with an AA. If I remember correctly, it's not a large gap either--something like 3 percentage points? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, folks.

I'll reply to the other stuff a bit later.

Probably this graph from this report (annotated version from various blogs where it's been passed around independent of the report);

It does look at total lifetime earnings rather than expected income, so isn't directly related to the basic pay gap, but is still a relevant number when talking about earning power.

[Glowcat]

News item drop! First, underestimated prevalence of sexual assaults against men.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html

And an inside investigation of that a-hole from last week's community. There seem to be more itching to go out in a blaze of glory, though luckily there's a good chance they're too cowardly to do much more than bluster.

http://jezebel.com/lessons-from-a-day-spent-with-the-ucsb-shooters-awful-f-1582884301

[kaenneth]

Almost made a new topic, but thought it might fit here...

with the #YesAllWomen, etc. going on, I see a LOT of women saying that they shouldn't have to be afraid to walk down the street, parking lot, elevator, etc. they talk about needing pepperspray, keys clenched in hand, self-defense classes, etc.

What I wonder, is, should they actually be afraid? looking at government statistics (lies, damned lies...) Men are twice as likely to get assaulted by strangers as women... so why are Women so afraid? Is it because other people tell they should be, or because of actual high risk? Or are women only assaulted less because they are so careful?

I'm wondering how much of it is sensible precautions vs viral scaremongering; just like most child kidnapping are by someone the child knows, but all the talk is about 'Strangers!'

[Tiruin]

Note here, I do observe that women are made more aware of possible threats in the daily life--probably the cause of the secondary paragraph there kaenneth. Though on a [probably too much = bad thing, adjective] side, it would probably lead to...overprotectiveness(?) or distrust in strangers or doubt in those around you (just because event x happened == it can happen again! as an example)

Looking at it from men's perspective, it's...not that detailed in a general regard. There are also cases of men being assaulted. Men being raped. Men being harshly treated and abused--the case is nearly identical, though as far as I've seen, less reported due to...shame(?) or...that feeling which makes you hesitate when something really bad has happened to you and..well, I'm not sure if its fear (seems like) but whatever the term is for it, there is fear on both sides, male or female, in that idea behind your post.

...Or you're focusing on one slice of the observation cake perhaps? It seems like the talk is about the results than the causes--like, why does one attack another person?

[Vector]

What I wonder, is, should they actually be afraid? looking at government statistics (lies, damned lies...) Men are twice as likely to get assaulted by strangers as women... so why are Women so afraid? Is it because other people tell they should be, or because of actual high risk? Or are women only assaulted less because they are so careful?

Combination of an expectation of victim blaming and some myths about rape. Women expect to be raped but the theoretical rapist is always a stranger with an unusual mustache, not a person close to them; and if they're raped, they know they'll be blamed, so we've got to be vigilant vigilant vigilant (cuz otherwise they'll be inviting it in some way and they won't just be raped, they'll also get reputations as sluts).

I really don't think women are assaulted less because they're careful. I don't exactly hear many stories of women escaping assault.

[Yoink]

...It might have something to do with fear of attack being considered unmanly, I guess.
Why do you think the average dudebro spends so much time at the gym if not to better defend himself?

[Tiruin]

What I wonder, is, should they actually be afraid? looking at government statistics (lies, damned lies...) Men are twice as likely to get assaulted by strangers as women... so why are Women so afraid? Is it because other people tell they should be, or because of actual high risk? Or are women only assaulted less because they are so careful?

Combination of an expectation of victim blaming and some myths about rape. Women expect to be raped but the theoretical rapist is always a stranger with an unusual mustache, not a person close to them; and if they're raped, they know they'll be blamed, so we've got to be vigilant vigilant vigilant (cuz otherwise they'll be inviting it in some way and they won't just be raped, they'll also get reputations as sluts).

I really don't think women are assaulted less because they're careful. I don't exactly hear many stories of women escaping assault.

...How does this even make sense (orange part).
^ My reaction, not me questioning what you said.
^{I mean, damn. That is a very horrendous thing to do where I am. I mean, blaming the victim!? W.t.f.}

Why is the victim being blamed though?

[Vector]

Man, I always thought that was in order to look good for women/self and be able to lift larger things (that is what my boyfriends said).

Why is the victim being blamed though?

*~*misogyny*~*

[scrdest]

Just World Hypothesis.

[Vector]

(I was teasing, I wanted an excuse ._. scrdest's answer is better, I think)