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Yes, please give us Vikings and Ninjas and Knights.

Yes, but only if it doesnt take too much work.

Maybe better to only make one civ, as close to vanilla DF humans as possible.

Maybe better to only make one civ, as close to MDF humans as possible.

No, I dont like it because it doesnt fit a procedually generated fantasy world.

No, I dont like it, because... (please post the reasons)

[Meph]

But do you truly only have copper as material, if you play humans that have a cheap and early metal merchant that can sell you any bar? If you got lamellar leather, you sure enough have meat, bones and other butchery products that can be sold for gold, which buys you any metal you want.

[kyranzor]

It was terrible timing anyway, I was probably 10 minutes away from having a fully walled and draw-bridged hilltop castle. I was finaly getting my huge stockpile of copper and fire opals and spare plants sold to start buying guilds too.

I made copper helms, shields, mail and breastplates and leather gauntlets and greaves.. I also made copper spears and all solders also had bone bows with bone arrows.

I am familiar with ironbone from my couple of Orc forts so I'll aim for that on my new fort if I dont go straight for metal industry...

Squires make my soldiers into permanent soldiers right? That's fine because these guys were professionals anyway, until the Naga showed up and wiped them out. I managed to fend off about 30 white tiger men though so I guess the Naga have very high combat skill and their higher quality weapons were my doom.

[Meph]

Nagas are not supposed to be that hard though. And squires are currently bugged, once they turn to Paladins (4 years later), you get a lot of transformation spam, because one number in the interactions is wrong. I have to fix that for the next release.

[kyranzor]

Well it will take me a few years game time to get the squires in the first place, and if they survived another 4 years of slaughter then I dont mind a bit of spam. If I were to fix the number in the file, would the changes work in my world or would I need a new fort for it to take effect?

Also is it reasonable to try and get pistols and rock bullets early on? Or is there a tech issue with gunpowder? I've never investigated guns yet in MWDF so I'm not sure if the humans have a special way different to existing wiki info..

[Meph]

If I were to fix the number in the file, would the changes work in my world or would I need a new fort for it to take effect?

It would work on a running save.   If you need it, just send me a PM.

Bullets I want to buff a bit, they seem less powerful than arrows atm, because of their small size.

[slay_mithos]

I don't know, my only go with bullets and rifles was pretty conclusive.

I mean, they are not the most raw power, but they penetrate pretty well, and they tend to blow the target away.

It might have been luck, but they really reminded me the vanilla crossbows in many ways, and dark stranglers being shot back a few tiles per shot was nice to see.

If you are going to up the raw power for bullets, you might in turn want to up the reload time a bit, to prevent guns from being as over powered as vanilla ranged weaponry (like, 1 shot with wooden arrow killing legendary fighter clad in masterwork steel).

[kyranzor]

If I buy pistols from a rented human merchant shop, and make some bullets, will it work? Or do I need academics guild with alchemy add-on for blackpowder as some kind of secondary ammo?

[Meph]

Bought weapons and ammo work.

[kyranzor]

Okay, thanks! I am going to enclose my fort faster this time and attempt to go ranged weapon heavy until I can get some actually useful weapons and armour.

Oh as a final note to the Naga killing my last fort, I had actually scavenged quite a lot of steel and iron and other metal weapons better than copper so i think it was just very skilled Naga and the fact my troops were so spread out and terrible combat AI (I hope toady fixes this eventually, the whole military system needs fixing)

[Raszul]

Hello everyone !
I'm new to this forum, but already a huge MDF fan since about half an year now. You guys did an amazing job here ! Really, the mod is just genius !

So I finally signed up here, becouse I got a simple problem: I felt like the Humans lack a good guard animal, so I thought "no problemo, just make the dwarfen mastiff available for humans at embark". After 2 days playing around with the tags on the mastiff and the entity of the human race, I surrendered ....well, my understanding of the raws is a bit underwhelming It would be awesome if someone could help me out here

Oh, and I hope I placed this question right, wasn't really sure about where to put it.

[Meph]

look at dwarffortress/hack/scripts/AddPetToCiv.lua, open in text editor, scroll to the bottom and look for ENTITY:HUMAN and ENTITY:MOUNTAIN. You will find the mastiff in there somewhere, just copy it into the human section as well.

[Raszul]

First of all, thank you for the quick reply

So I took

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insertPet("MOUNTAIN","MASTIFF","FEMALE") and insertPet("MOUNTAIN","MASTIFF","MALE")

from the dwarves section and copied it in the human section too.
Was that right ? Couse nothing happens.

[Meph]

Yes, thats it. Did you regen a new world? Its all thats necessary. You do have to change the MOUNTAIN to PLAINS though, which is the correct Id for the human civ. (mountain is dwarf civ)

Its insertPet("PLAINS","MASTIFF","MALE") and FEMALE. I think it might even work without a regen, but you certainly need to re-embark.

[Raszul]

Its insertPet("PLAINS","MASTIFF","MALE") and FEMALE

Yeah already thought of that, but needed to regen a new world.

Well thank you good sir, my next human city will thank you.

[kyranzor]

are the normal war dogs (with steel armour?) not good enough for the purpose? Are Mastiffs really that awesome?