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[Rolepgeek]

It's not like time will move fast enough for it to come into play anyway. So it's fine.

What's the average stat pool, then, for 'normal' monsters?

[PrivateNomad]

A normal human would probably be a 30 or 40, considering that they have no special powers whatsoever. Monsters are probably a 50 or 60, while sufficiently powerful monsters or humans are at a 75.

Extremely powerful people (Like Magnus) can even reach above a 100.

[kj1225]

I just realized any monster girls that regenerate would be unable to receive cybernetic enhancement.

[Rolepgeek]

Tonberries are pretty badass, then.

Although if their magic could just be a 'I hit you for Y damage, final damage multiplied by X', I wouldn't have to make their Strength scores so bloody high to represent how deadly they are.

[USEC_OFFICER]

It's not like time will move fast enough for it to come into play anyway. So it's fine.

What's the average stat pool, then, for 'normal' monsters?

Unless we do a timeskip to play as everyone's children or something like that. Which I honestly wouldn't put past us. And normal statpool is apparently 75 + 15 from race bonuses. Less if you're a mook though.

Also, can I comment that race bonuses not increasing HP/MP is bullshit? Because a character with 25 + 15 END and 15 + 0 DEX gets less health than a character with 40 + 0 END and 0 + 15 DEX, but their stats are identical. Yes, minmaxing is pretty bad, but you can't really say that a rule is punishing minmaxing if it's easy to get around and affects those who distribute their racial bonuses based on their race.

I just realized any monster girls that regenerate would be unable to receive cybernetic enhancement.

Depends on how much they regenerate, I guess. And you could have drugs to suppress their regeneration, which isn't ideal by a long shot but potentially useful.

Tonberries are pretty badass, then.

Although if their magic could just be a 'I hit you for Y damage, final damage multiplied by X', I wouldn't have to make their Strength scores so bloody high to represent how deadly they are.

Which is why we briefly mentioned moving to RotMG's new system, where stuff like that is possible.

...

Though honestly that effect is possible in this game too. With the perk/power thing and the GM's blessing of course.

[PrivateNomad]

Oh boy, and now I regret ever adding racial mods...
Your modifiers are pretty much, well, modifiers. If you get armor that gives you an END mod, why would that increase your HP? Same with something like lizard scales--all they do is protect you, not increase your vitality. The racial modifiers were supposed to better emphasize a certain monster's ability--another example, an entity of pure magic would get a mod to MAG, right?

[IamanElfCollaborator]

I can see why that's fair.

[kj1225]

I think maybe moving to the V3 system might be worth the annoyance.

[IamanElfCollaborator]

I vote for making a new system if we're discussing a new system.

[PrivateNomad]

I won't mind moving to a new system either, but people like Rolegpeek have a shit ton of characters which would need to be converted.

[Rolepgeek]

Wouldn't a being of pure magic have a shitton more MP though?

I mean, I see what you're saying with the Armor, but I view Endurance as HP as much as I view it as armor. Maybe when you have a racial modifier, it has to be either armor or HP? That would make more sense to me. Or for Magic, either damage or MP. With strength it'll always be damage, of course.

I wouldn't mind moving to a new system, as long as it wasn't ridiculously convoluted. I can convert the chars easily enough. I'm good at character creation.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Oh boy, and now I regret ever adding racial mods...
Your modifiers are pretty much, well, modifiers. If you get armor that gives you an END mod, why would that increase your HP? Same with something like lizard scales--all they do is protect you, not increase your vitality. The racial modifiers were supposed to better emphasize a certain monster's ability--another example, an entity of pure magic would get a mod to MAG, right?

I understand that armour and stuff can increase your END/MAG without increasing your HP/MP. But... blah. It's less about realism and more about fairness and balance I guess. I would argue more enthusiastically, but...

I think maybe moving to the V3 system might be worth the annoyance.

I vote for making a new system if we're discussing a new system.

I wholeheartedly support the move to a new system. One that's less broken/breakable than this one.

[IamanElfCollaborator]

If we make a new system, bleh.

If we use v3, can we bump up our starting stats to 120?

[PrivateNomad]

Starting stats to 120? Why?

Also, I totally support a new system. It has more stats.

[IamanElfCollaborator]

*shrug* More points to play with.