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Until I figure out how to un-close it, at least.

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So yeah.

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Voting closed: May 01, 2014, 02:06:40 pm

[smjjames]

http://eeas.europa.eu/statements/docs/2014/140417_01_en.pdf

"All sides must refrain from any violence, intimidation or provocative actions."

So, once the Kiev tries to use violence again...

Yeah, ALL sides, the Geneva statement is including the ones who are capturing the buildings. Which means that the Russians need to butt out.

If the protestors that Ukraine considers illegal don't give back the buildings, why should the Ukraine military stand down.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Yep, it only seems to mention the pro-russians as needing to disarm & vacate buildings.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

All illegal armed groups must be disarmed; all illegally seized buildings must be returned to legitimate owners

Did the guys in Slavyanks disarm and surrender? I haven't noticed it. If they don't disarm themselves who should force them to do that? Isn't Ukrainian army and other security forces? No, if USA and Russia will jointly conduct anti-terror operation in Slavyansk I'll don't mind but doubt that it will happen
BTW, this armed terrorists got a very good and liberal offer

Amnesty will be granted to protestors and to those who have left buildings and other public places and surrendered weapons, with the exception of those found guilty of capital crimes.

I think it may be their last chance to not go to a jail or get killed

[smjjames]

I think they should have included Russia removing its 40,000 or so troops from the vicinity of the border since that would be a big step towards de-escalation. But eh, Putin will just effectively say 'make me' and ignore that.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

No, he'd say "We have" and ignore that.

[Sergarr]

I'm just going to repeat what I said:

Enough measuring army strength, you all. Let's focus on politics.

And I'm afraid Owlbread is right, this entire clusterfuck went exactly as Putin planned and gave him the support necessary to stay in power some more.

Politics?

I predict the Kiev will fall before the 1st May.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

If Kiev will fall, that will happen after a very bloody war and will result in even bloodier asymmetric warfare war. Sad that most Russians fail to understand that

Speaking about blood... This year easter will be very bloody, Russian terrorists will do something large scaled. I am 90% sure.

[Sergarr]

Gotta make another prediction: There won't be any guerrillas in Ukraine.

[10ebbor10]

Suprise, Separatists aren't going anywhere soon.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Gotta make another prediction: There won't be any guerrillas in Ukraine.

Yeah guys like that Will happily accept Russian rule and hail Putin

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Suprise, Separatists aren't going anywhere soon.

IMPOSSIBRU!


That article also mentions a tussle over a roadblock at Serhiyivka.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Suprise, Separatists aren't going anywhere soon.

Wouldn't this be around the time when the Russian Special Ops that supposedly certainly back and support these separatists politely tell these people to comply with the order and vacate the premises?

[Sergarr]

Suprise, Separatists aren't going anywhere soon.

Wouldn't this be around the time when the Russian Special Ops that supposedly certainly back and support these separatists politely tell these people to comply with the order and vacate the premises?

Because we need Ukraine. All of it. 

But really I don't think the Russian Ops work in tandem with rebels. IT looks like they just kinda move around them.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Spoiler: Is it a proper way to deal with separatist? (click to show/hide)

[scrdest]

Spoiler: Is it a proper way to deal with separatist? (click to show/hide)

Huh, what are we seeing here exactly? Aside from the obvious? Who, when, how, why?