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[Shakerag]

4maskwolf:

No, I'm not. I have limited enough time on the forums as is to ask myself questions for someone else's benefit.

Then allow me to assist you in freeing up some of that time. 


Powder Miner:

This isn't a normal mafia game where a single inspect role turns the tide of a game by virtue of its rarity-- in KotM, it's probable that there's more than one inspect role, and thus it's more useful to get information out there for review than to sit on a role and not give anything out, ESPECIALLY when the short nature of the game makes it questionable if there'll be a later time to report it. Yet perhaps you don't want that information circulating?

Fair enough.  As to your question, I couldn't care less at this point.  I think I'm almost assuredly going to catch an NK tonight, and given that I've lived to D3 (and got past the first round) in spite of picking unlynchable and the mod's best efforts to screw me over, I've pretty much achieved my own personal victory.  Any further survival on my part is just cake. 


NQT:  Are you not accounting for town-based kills, though?

I am sorely tempted to hammer NQT, just for the humor factor.  It's not like you chuckleheads could lynch me the next day or anything  >_>

What makes it different? Why is scumhunting ineffective in this game and not others?

Ahh hah hah, burn.

What?

I am implying that you have delivered on to whomever that was a scathing insult.

[Powder Miner]

Now, now, I shouldn't let sudden gameplans keep me away from questioning you, NQT.

Powder Miner
I'd dispute that it was an OMGUS in the full sense of the word, as I know that Sheep's vote on me was based on bogus case, as you'll all see when I flip town.

Wow, oh wow, oh wow. "You know I'm town because Sheep is bogus, which you'll see when I flip town."... "You know I'm town because I'm town."
I despise this argument. We simply canNOT take your word for this, and in general the argument that "I'll flip town, just you wait!" is used by desperate scum or people who don't know what they're doing.
I know you're not a noob, NQT, so I have to say you're pretty obviously scum. I really, really despise that argument.
A lot.

In any case, I'm pleased that Sheep seems to have some kind of case which is more than can be said for some of the others.

I don't really care. I've got my own case, and I'm going to push it.

I can understand your view here, but when my behaviour flows from my overall perspective on mafia, it makes sense for me to refer to this perspective when you accuse me of acting scummily.

Of course. It still won't stop me from thinking you scummy, considering what you've said today.

Everyone, please don't hammer me right this moment as I'm currently formulating a game breaking strategy based on my role and Powder's that could be guaranteed to find scum, or at the very least narrow it down to two people. Some of it depends on whether Wolf gets himself modkilled this round. I'll have it all worked out in three to five hours. Most of you are probably asleep, but I want to make sure I get this worked out before I'm dead.

I kind of exposed the hole that ruins this. It won't serve so well to redirect our attention now, scum.

[notquitethere]

Powder, have you got any reason to suppose you'd not be a sane cop? You'd only get something like that if your role was majorly nerfed. Regardless of whether you were nerfed or not, I'd learn whether you did in fact have an inspect ability of any kind. Now's the time to say you were lying if you were in fact lying.

You wanted someone to confirm your ability, doesn't this plan do just that?

Now, now, I shouldn't let sudden gameplans keep me away from questioning you, NQT.

Naturally. Just don't take too long to decide.

I despise this argument. We simply canNOT take your word for this, and in general the argument that "I'll flip town, just you wait!" is used by desperate scum or people who don't know what they're doing.
I know you're not a noob, NQT, so I have to say you're pretty obviously scum. I really, really despise that argument.
A lot.

OK, it wasn't meant to be a super-compelling argument or anything. It's just a fact, but I definitely don't want you to take my word on faith. That's why I've since offered a more useful way to assist town: one that confirms your role and doesn't rely on you necessarily believing I'm town.

I kind of exposed the hole that ruins this. It won't serve so well to redirect our attention now, scum.

What hole? What will you do when I flip and you've thrown away an opportunity to have your role confirmed? You can inspect me tonight can't you? I'm more useful to town alive.


Shakerag, if town went along with the plan then yeah, they'd have to avoid messing with the inspection ring (i.e. by not killing me, you or Powder). It seems to me it's the best shot we have today, and hopefully Cheese agrees.

[mastahcheese]

Hmm, yeah there are still some holes in the plan, mostly with regards to Powder's role, and to whether he is sane or not, but meh, let's do it.

Kill the Wolf

[Powder Miner]

Powder, have you got any reason to suppose you'd not be a sane cop? You'd only get something like that if your role was majorly nerfed.

And the key here is that I don't know if I've been nerfed or not. It's a distinct uncertainty.

Regardless of whether you were nerfed or not, I'd learn whether you did in fact have an inspect ability of any kind. Now's the time to say you were lying if you were in fact lying.

I'm not lying, nor have I been. And here's the thing: you try to entice me with claims you'd confirm my inspection role, but I'm not aiming to be confirmed town, I'm aiming to lynch the scum. Your words so far make me almost certain it's you.

You wanted someone to confirm your ability, doesn't this plan do just that?

I wanted someone to confirm mastahcheese's alignment, not to confirm my role. You won't entice me that easily.

Naturally. Just don't take too long to decide.

Oh, I've already decided. I think you're scum, NQT. It's why my vote's still on you.

OK, it wasn't meant to be a super-compelling argument or anything. It's just a fact, but I definitely don't want you to take my word on faith. That's why I've since offered a more useful way to assist town: one that confirms your role

I want scum to die, not to be confirmed.

and doesn't rely on you necessarily believing I'm town.

But it really does. Just because you offered ONE possible dichotomy of actions doesn't mean you can't take any more that would sabotage the entire plan.

What hole? What will you do when I flip and you've thrown away an opportunity to have your role confirmed? You can inspect me tonight can't you? I'm more useful to town alive.

The "don't lynch me town wants me" argument was scummy then and it's scummy now.
Plus, I think I've already mentioned what I think of the "I can confirm yoooouuu" argument.

[ToonyMan]

Just a note:

If a player is mod-killed then the top player in the queue will sub in for them. So the player count will remain the same.

EDIT:
I believe they keep the same role the modkilled player has?

[notquitethere]

Powder, if I'm lynched today, let this be an abject lesson in how useless your under-analysed notions of what a scumtell is. And before you jump up that I'm calling town again, you can save your breath. I'm not trying to convince you of anything now. If you're town then you've fallen into the classic trap of falling for your own self-righteousness and blinding yourself to other, more likely, possibilities.

Sheep, I'm not sure when you're getting online but if you're here before the end of the day, please consider breaking the tie.  Look at Wolf's contributions to the day: I know he's been busy but he hasn't done anything. That's an easy way for scum to win.

[4maskwolf]

Cheese You're pretty much confirmed town: what do you think of my Inspection-Chain plan?

Also Wolf, the only damn thing you've done today is not read anything and violently lash out. Engage your brain and give me a good reason not to be pushing for your lynch. Can you bring anything to the table?

Violently...
Violently...
You really do hate me, don't you, NQT. The fact that you are overreacting to a simple vote designed to keep me from being mod killed makes me suspicious. Cheese has no vote reasoning at all, and Shakerqg is voting me to try to get me to play.

I'll be on at seven my time. In the meantime, unvote, I'll read the thread then.

[notquitethere]

You really do hate me, don't you, NQT. The fact that you are overreacting to a simple vote designed to keep me from being mod killed makes me suspicious. Cheese has no vote reasoning at all, and Shakerqg is voting me to try to get me to play.

Aww Wolf, I don't hate you. I think you're one of the strongest recent players in fact. But you're also the person who we have the least information on due to your short number of short posts, and your 'simple vote' put me at L-1, so I don't think I've overreacted in the slightest. Simply put, your play today (whether it was due to outside circumstances or not) has made you the best candidate for a lynch. I'm all for being charitable, but this is King of the Mafia here, it's serious beeswax.

[ToonyMan]

Okay just got home. There won't be much time before the day ends once I get the vote count up.

[ToonyMan]

Votecount (4 votes to hammer):

Notquitethere: TheWetSheep, Powder Miner (2)
4maskwolf: Notquitethere, Shakerag, Mastahcheese (3)
Not voting: 4maskwolf (1)

Day ends in about 30 minutes. I might give an extra hour since I got home pretty late.

[TheWetSheep]

I really want to extend, but we can't.

NQT's claim is probably fake:

He's claiming a one-shot copy, which he says is only part of his role. We know, though, that Toony isn't handing out super-useful role additions like that one. I'm betting NQT's scum and is some kind of redirecter/randomizer.

Also, Powder Miner is suspicious for desperately trying to disbelieve his own town inspect.

[mastahcheese]

I'm considering switching over my vote, but I'm not really sure.

On one hand, he's trying (at least claiming) that it'll help to clear a bunch of people, but then again, that's exactly what scum would love, to be falsely "proven" as town by non-inspect means.

Hmm, I don't know.

[ToonyMan]

Day 3 is technically over now. 4maskwolf hasn't been online in almost three hours and hasn't come back so I'll assume they're okay with their lynch.


4maskwolf stares dumbfound at their computer monitor. "I guess I'll accept it..."

And so 4maskwolf was cyber-lynched.

4maskwolf has been lynched!

4maskwolf was a Nexus (town).


Night 3 has begun (for real this time)! Send in your actions within 24 hours!!

[4maskwolf]

Day 3 is technically over now. 4maskwolf hasn't been online in almost three hours and hasn't come back so I'll assume they're okay with their lynch.

BLUH HUH I'M HERE I SAID 7 MY TIME AND I'M ON EARLIER DAMN IT!!!!!!!

NQT: if I have to tie the vote to avoid being lynched before getting to actually play, you can be damn certain I will.

Now, ask away,=.