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Matoro

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Foreign weapons
« on: March 30, 2014, 09:29:02 am »

Foreign weapons. You know, things dwarves can't make. Whips and bows and mauls and so on. Do you use them? Or are they undwarven way to fight? Or maybe a goblin plot to make dwarves forget their own culture? Whether you love or hate them, this is a topic for discussing them.

I love long swords. I try to always buy every quality iron long sword human have for trade. I just find an idea of a dwarf with sword nearly as long as he is amusing (it's pity dwarves can't use 2h swords, that would be just awesome). Morningstars are also very dwarven things and I try always buy those for my soldiers. I once planned establishing a lasher squad to let the goblins taste their own whips, but that idea never happened...
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Re: Foreign weapons
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2014, 10:45:11 am »

I use them all the time.  I like having a large militia, and I like a lot of variety in it.  I stay away from the two handed weapons, but I can still get up to 90 with each squad focusing on a different weapon.

I'll start with an axe squad and work on getting it up to 10 dwarves strong.  Then, add the crossbows (20 militia now) and stay that way for a little while.  As migrants arrive, I add the other "native" weapons (hammer, mace, spear, sword).  This gets me up to 60 militia, which is a good number for a 2 out of 3 months or 1 out of 3 months on-duty rotation.  By then, there have been several sieges, and I'll add the foreign weapons (scourge, bow, dagger) once I have a good number of decent ones.
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EDIT: I just remembered that dwarves can't equip halberds. That might explain why the squads that use them always die.

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Re: Foreign weapons
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2014, 10:57:20 am »

My favorite is the halberd. A extremely above average sized dwarf can wield it 1 handed.
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Re: Foreign weapons
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2014, 02:14:39 pm »

A extremely above average sized dwarf can wield it 1 handed.
Should be able to wield it 1 handed. I think there is a bug that says they cannot - for equipping, the weapon checks race size instead of individual size.

Didn't stop me from modding the raws so they could be picked up though. Some arena testing revealed that vs other dwarves (and therefore probably goblins, elves, etc), yes, halberds are the best weapons.

The only problem is nobody makes candy halberds. I'm thinking of another edit so that goblins come with candy, but then they might swamp my fort. Decent risk/reward.
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Re: Foreign weapons
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2014, 03:26:50 pm »

The problem with foreign weapons is that it is hard to get ones of any decent quality, except via artifact, whereas any native weapon can be masterworked by a skilled smith.

I tend not to use foreign weapons.
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Re: Foreign weapons
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2014, 03:57:48 pm »

I once equipped a four-man squad of dwarves with halberds to serve as a "Swiss Guard" for the baron, but they never saw combat (struck down to a man by a full body rot syndrome some haulers brought up with an FB corpse.) Other than that, I've stuck with weapons I can make myself for quality reasons.
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Re: Foreign weapons
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2014, 04:05:48 pm »

I find foreign-made weapons are excellent for weapon traps: Saves me the trouble of carting them around for melting and puts them to good use. If I wanna use a certain weapon (like pikes or morningstars,) I'll just mod the entity and weapon raws and give dwarves access to them.

Really like flails though, I dunno why.

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2014, 05:20:14 pm »

My militia consists for the most part of marksdwarves, then squads of assorted melee weapons to block the buggers that get by the marksdwarves, or to finish off the incapacitated.

Once I've dispatched enough invaders I'll often put together a Specialist squad of flails/scourges/whips which I use for incapacitation when the marksdwarves for whatever reason are tied up elsewhere.

By this method I'll end up with elite marksdwarves and a very well managed Specialist squad, whilst most of my melee dwarves just end up as fodder wearing expensive armour, oops.
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Re: Foreign weapons
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2014, 05:35:47 pm »

A extremely above average sized dwarf can wield it 1 handed.
Should be able to wield it 1 handed. I think there is a bug that says they cannot - for equipping, the weapon checks race size instead of individual size.
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I just plow every fallen weapon back into random weapon traps all over the place, unless I want/need to melt it.
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Re: Foreign weapons
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2014, 06:18:34 pm »

I have a squad of elite lashers ready to deal with any FBs. silver whip crush almost everything they come by.

for the most part I stick to native weapons, but I've heard that morningstars are far more effective than maces, so I gave my lone macedwarf an iron morningstar.

I've always wanted a squad of dual knife users. daggers are amazingly powerful right now with high penetration. An iron dagger can easily pierce steel armour and do serious damage.
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Re: Foreign weapons
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2014, 09:26:10 pm »

Everything not made by a dwarf is undwafy, also i think foreign weapons get only up to iron.

The best course of action is melt them to make propper gear.

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Re: Foreign weapons
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2014, 12:41:22 am »

Never really tried making squads with foreign weapons, usually just smelt them or place them in traps.
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Re: Foreign weapons
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2014, 01:19:29 am »

My chief medical dwarf liked bows and I convinced him to make an artifact one by making bowyer his highest craft skill. I gave him his own special squad and he practiced with it occasionally, though he ran out of arrows to practice with quite often until I could trade for more. Sometimes he would get stuck in 'Go to archery practice' and stand in place, and required activation to get unstuck. After that he would go and shoot his quiver empty and then get stuck again.

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Re: Foreign weapons
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2014, 10:29:11 am »

A extremely above average sized dwarf can wield it 1 handed.
Should be able to wield it 1 handed. I think there is a bug that says they cannot - for equipping, the weapon checks race size instead of individual size.

IIRC, the bug only affects the check for whether they can use it, at equip time. When they decide whether to use it 1-handed or 2-handed, their actual size is used.
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Re: Foreign weapons
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2014, 02:49:46 pm »

Picks are actually counted as foreign. They are almost as deadly as whips, but they use the Miner skill. Once you don't need them to fight, you can assign them to mine and they'll be better than your normal miners (strength gains from training/fighting let them move faster).
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