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Current one, unchanged.

+4 AS and +5 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+2 AS and +3 DMG on Player Phase, with additional +2 AS and +2 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+1 AS and +1.5 DMG for each space moved up to 4 spaces.

Current one but AS bonus is converted to DR from the end of the Player Phase until the next one.

I don't know but I want to see the results.

[SeriousConcentrate]

Clearly Swordstar has never played Startropics. Otherwise she'd know that you can defeat alien behemoths with a yo-yo.

[Swordstar]

Never heard of it, nope. But point still stands.

[Praefectus Screptum]

I never said it was going to be something completely new or filling a new path. But whatever, I will remove the link from here and work it on my own instead.

[Parsely]

@guns: I don't see why firearm users should have to worry about powder and shot when archers don't need to manage the amount of arrows they have. Why not just give firearms comparatively low QL?

I like it though. Just a fun little list of guns stats.

[Haspen]

Yeh that's also an option ;v

EDIT: Yeah I replaced standard 5 QL increments with 4 QL increments with 8QL being lowest ;v

[Haspen]

Spoiler: GUNS! Expanded Edition 1.13 (with all classes done) (click to show/hide)

Bows vs Guns: Bows have Weapon Triangle Advantage (+15 Hit, +1 Damage) over Guns, and Guns suffer Weapon Triangle Disadvantage (-15 Hit, -1 Damage) against Bows.

Pistols (Pstl): smaller range and lesser impact, but higher Hit rates, moderate QL
Muskets (Mskt): extreme range and higher damage, but impaired Hit rate, low QL

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Name            Type () RNG MT WT CR Hit QL
Flintlock       Pstl (E)1-3 11 7  0  75  32 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations]
Handgonne       Pstl (E)1-3 9  6  5  75  24 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations]
Duelist         Pstl (D)1-3 11 10 10 75  16 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations. +2 to AS, but not Evasion]
Snaplock        Pstl (D)1-3 14 9  0  70  20 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations]
Silver Bullet   Pstl (C)1-3 13 10 5  65  16 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations. 2x damage vs Monsters]
Heartslayer     Pstl (C)1-3 14 13 30 60  12 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations]
Poison Shot     Pstl (B)1-3 13 12 0  60  16 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations. Poison on Hit]
Honour          Pstl (B)1-3 14 11 10 65  16 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations. +2 to AS, but not Evasion]
Goldenshot      Pstl (A)1-3 16 11 5  60  12 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations. 2x damage vs Undead]
Gandarme        Pstl (A)1-3 17 14 0  55  12 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations]
Null Bullet     Pstl (S)1-3 16 13 5  60  8  [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations. 2x damage vs Levitation]
Prestige        Pstl (S)1-3 17 12 10 60  12 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations. +2 to AS, but not Evasion]


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Name            Type () RNG MT WT CR Hit QL
Firelance       Mskt (E)2-4 13 9  0  65  28 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations]
Arquebus        Mskt (E)2-4 16 12 0  60  20 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations]
Drake           Mskt (D)2-4 18 13 0  55  20 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations]
Longarm         Mskt (D)2-5 15 15 5  65  12 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations]
Musket          Mskt (C)2-4 19 14 0  55  16 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations]
Jennisseri      Mskt (C)2-4 16 16 10 55  12 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations]
Thunderblast    Mskt (B)2-4 17 18 0  50  16 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations. 2x damage vs Horseback]
Dragon          Mskt (B)2-4 20 15 0  50  12 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations]
Scattershot     Mskt (A)2-4 18 18 0  45  12 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations. 2x damage vs Fliers]
Sniper          Mskt (A)2-5 19 16 5  55  8  [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations]
Le Roy          Mskt (S)2-4 23 17 0  45  8  [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations]
Imperiale       Mskt (S)2-4 25 20 0  40  8  [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations]
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Cannons (Cann): why did I even make these things?? honestly though just skip these, these are absurd

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Name            Type () RNG  MT WT CR Hit QL
Falconet        Cann (C)5-15 26 20 0  45  5 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations. Autohits adjacent on miss. 10 splash damage. Can move 1 tile per Turn]
Culverin        Cann (B)5-15 34 24 0  40  5 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations. Autohits adjacent on miss. 15 splash damage. Can move 1 tile per Turn]
Basilisk        Cann (A)5-15 42 28 0  35  5 [Ignores user's STR. Halves enemy DEF for damage calculations. Autohits adjacent on miss. 20 splash damage. Can move 1 tile per Turn]
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gun classes:

trainee: Gunner Trainee (E guns)
foot gunner line: arquebusier (C guns) -> musketeer (A guns+swords) & sharpshooter (S guns).
gun cavalry line: pistoleteer (C guns+swords) -> cuirassier (A guns+swords) & dragoon (B guns+swords+axes).

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TRAINEE:

Gunner Trainee

These young hotshots (no pun intended) make the first steps into becoming firearm users. Firearms are heavy and inaccurate, not unlike axes, therefore the youngsters are choosen for the training based on their constitution and good eyesight. Only after years of training, one becomes a true gunner, and by then they preference for firearm of choice will show; either for small and elegant Pistols, or the powerful but heavy Muskets.

Weapon Skill: Guns (E)
Starting Weapon: Handgonne OR Firelance
Preferred Stats: HP, SKL

Promotes to: Arquebusier, Pistoleer

Base stats:
HP  20   STR  2   MAG  0   SKL  5   CON  6   AID  5
LCK  2   DEF  2   RES  0   SPD  3   MOV  4
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FIRST CLASS A:

Arquebusier

The most common choice for the young Gunners is to become Arquebusiers; foot soldiers who specialize in firearms, providing supporting fire while their more melee-oriented comrades engage the enemies in front of them.

Weapon Skill: 1 Gun Subcategory (C), Guns (D)
Starting Weapon: Arquebus
Preferred Stats: HP, SKL
Special:

Familiarity:
Passive Effect
Thanks to all of the heavy-lifting of their cumbersome firearms, Arquebusiers suffer Attack Speed and Evasion penalties from weapon's Weight only if the penalty reaches -3 or greater.

Promotes From: Gunner Trainee
Promotes To: Musketeer, Sharpshooter
Item Required: Gunner's Pin

Base stats:
HP  23   STR  2   MAG  0   SKL  8   CON  9   AID  8
LCK  2   DEF  2   RES  0   SPD  4   MOV  5

Promotion bonuses:
HP  +3   STR  +0  MAG  +0  SKL  +3  CON  +3  AID  +3
LCK +0   DEF  +0  RES  +0  SPD  +1  MOV  5

FIRST CLASS B:

Pistoleer

Sometimes the young Gunner does not suit the exact profile of a tough-as-nails, heavy-set Arquebusier. However, their accuracy with the gun is still noted, and their smaller frame points a preference for not only pistols but other lighter weapons, like swords, and in general, swiftness over endurance. Given a horse, these Pistoleteers can easily employ skirmishing tactics, running up to enemy line to wreak havoc and then quickly retreating.

Weapon Skill: 1 Gun Subcategory (C), 1 Sword Subcategory (C), Guns (D), Swords (D)
Starting Weapon: Flintlock or Iron Sword
Preferred Stats: SKL, SPD
Special: Horseback, Dismount

Quickdraw:
Passive Effect
If the Pistoleteer is wielding a Sword and is attacked with a Lance weapon (thus suffering Weapon Triangle Disadvantage), they can quickly switch to their gun and counter with it instead. This works only with Pistol subcategory of Guns, however.

Promotes From: Gunner Trainee
Promotes To: Cuirassier, Dragoon
Item Required: Gunner's Pin

Base stats:
HP  21   STR  3   MAG  0   SKL  8   CON  8   AID  7
LCK  2   DEF  2   RES  0   SPD  5   MOV  4

Promotion bonuses:
HP  +1   STR  +1  MAG  +0  SKL  +3  CON  +2  AID  +2
LCK +0   DEF  +0  RES  +0  SPD  +3  MOV  5
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ARQUEBUSIER PROMO A:

Musketeer

Often rank-and-file soldiers, Musketeers have learned that versality on the battlefield is a must, and therefore have widened their training regime to include fighting with swords.

Weapon Skill: 1 Gun Subcategory (A), 1 Sword Subcategory (A), Guns (C), Swords (C)
Preferred Stats: STR, SKL
Special:

Armstrong:
Passive Effect
Musketeers receive Hit bonus for their Guns equal to their STR.

Promotes From: Arquebusier
Item Required: Gunner's Pin

Promotion bonuses:
HP  +2   STR  +3  MAG  +0  SKL  +3  CON  +4  AID  +4
LCK +0   DEF  +1  RES  +0  SPD  +1  MOV  6

ARQUEBUSIER PROMO B:

Sharpshooter

Sharpshooters are masters of gun use. They're often sent to take a deeply hidden position from which they will pick off their enemies, who often will not be able to even notice the sharpshooter till after several shots. Not only Sharpshooters are firearm masters, but they are able to shoot at greater distances than other gun users. Their only apparent weakness is their fragility, as they often trade loud, metallic armor for tight-fitting clothes, and rely on their agility and surroundings to provide them protection from attacks.

Weapon Skill: 1 Gun Subcategory (S), Guns (B)
Preferred Stats: SKL, LCK
Special: Critical Eye

The Gun Phantom:
Passive Effect
Sharpshooter that ends his/her move on a Forest, Thick Forest or a Hill becomes invisible (is hidden on the map and thus untargetable for ranged weapons) until an enemy unit moves adjacent to them. The direction from which Sharpshooter attacks will be indicated to the enemies. Also, when on Forest, Thick Forest or Hill Terrain, Sharpshooters gain +1 to their maximum Range.

Promotes From: Arquebusier
Item Required: Gunner's Pin

Promotion bonuses:
HP  +1   STR  +0  MAG  +0  SKL  +4  CON  +3  AID  +3
LCK +4   DEF  +0  RES  +0  SPD  +2  MOV  6
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PISTOLEER PROMO A:

Cuirassier

The romantic and honorable cavalier, using both guns and swords and light armor, charging into the fray to break enemy lines; this description pops in the people's minds when asked what a Cuirassier is. And the Cuirassiers are often doing just that, performing deadly charges into enemy ranks to send them flying. Thanks to these charges, the Cuirassiers can forego the usual dedication to accuracy and instead concentrate on other useful attributes, like strength and speed.

Weapon Skill: 1 Gun Subcategory (A), 1 Sword Subcategory (A), Guns (C), Swords (C)
Preferred Stats: STR, SPD
Special:

Cavalry Charge:
Passive Effect
+2 Hit and Crit for 1 Tile traversed before attacking. This bonus resets after the attack. Furthermore, after the attack, Cuirassiers gain +2 MOV till the end of their Turn.

Promotes From: Pistoleer
Item Required: Gunner's Pin

Promotion bonuses:
HP  +2   STR  +2  MAG  +0  SKL  +1  CON  +3  AID  +3
LCK +0   DEF  +2  RES  +1  SPD  +3  MOV  6

PISTOLEER PROMO B:

Dragoon

Dragoons are often imagined as lowly, do-it-all soldiers on slow horses, but to think so would be a mistake. They trade specialization in something for versatility; their horses are slower but sturdier and more used to navigate on difficult terrain, and use of guns, swords and axes allows the Dragoon to quickly adapt and gain advantage against many types of foes that they might encounter on battlefield.

Weapon Skill: 1 Gun Subcategory (B), 1 Sword Subcategory (B), 1 Axe Subcategory (B), Guns (C), Swords (C), Axes (C)
Preferred Stats: HP, STR
Special:

Sturdy Little Pony:
Passive Effect
Dragoons gain only +1 MOV from Horseback, but they also use Movement Costs of non-Horseback units (so a Dragoon wishing to enter a Forest uses only 2 MOV instead of 3). This means that they can also enter Thick Forests while on Horseback.

Promotes From: Pistoleteer
Item Required: Gunner's Pin

Promotion bonuses:
HP  +3   STR  +3  MAG  +0  SKL  +1  CON  +4  AID  +4
LCK +0   DEF  +2  RES  +0  SPD  +1  MOV  6
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[GiglameshDespair]

Arqebusiers seem a little weaksauce compared to pistoleers - their class skill doesn't seem so good, less weapon profs, and no mount. At best they either get the equivalent of +2 AS - but without the eva bonus - otherwise, they get nothing.

Pistoleers: never having to fight at a wtd is pretty powerful. They seem to have all the advantages over an arqebusier: sword weapon profs, with the same profs for guns; a mount;

Musketeers suffer a little from any strength growth is pretty useless until their final class, unless they take Centre. That said, they seem pretty alright otherwise? Up to 30 hit is pretty good, I guess? Ironically that probably makes them better shots than the sharpshooters. So there is that.

Sharpshooters: requiring no str or mag growths, they have plenty of % to dump into everything else. Tonk builds, ahoy! They already outrange everything bar longbow snipers and siege magic, so more range isn't all that huge of a bonus. The invisibility of Gun Phantom is a little odd - the way it currently reads, if the sharpshooter moves onto a forest, they can't attack that turn, because they're going invisible. How would invisibility work? Can the SS pepper enemies from afar, and they wouldn't react? Would they try to find him? If they move next to him, and thus discover him, and they then attack?
Is it even much of a bonus? A SS is going to be camping in the back, utilising his insane range.

Curassier: The ultimate hit and run, perhaps. With extreme range and high mobility, I can't imagine much will catch them if they don't want it, especially if they take celerity (or whatever its called).

Dragoons: Seem pretty alright.

All that said, I do wonder how guns would actually work in a map - that huge range gives them such an advantage, and reducing enemy def by half...
With the pistols, B car doesn't seem any improvement over C - actually, just a little bit worse, really.
There's barely any difference between the musket and the dragon in the rifle category.

I dunno. I'm not sure how balanced they'd actually be.

[Twinwolf]

Maybe to balance the range of guns, they can't shoot through walls? Or if that's too rare to be an issue, they can't shoot over some terrain?

[Haspen]

Arquebusiers could get no penalties whatsoever till -3, or the AS penalty not kicking in until its -4 or greater ;v

Sharpshooters: mebbe just make them straight invisible in forests a la Fighters were in one handbook or another?

EDIT:

Also Bows having an advantage against Guns: either straight out WTA or +1 to numbers of attacks (its faster to fire a bow than a gun)

[GiglameshDespair]

Effectively a small reduction to weapon weight just isn't all that great, tbh, especially if they're still losing the eva.

Sharpshooter invisibility: I guess? I'm still not sure how invisibility is supposed to work, precisely.

Bows having WTA over guns (and guns having WTD?) would be a lot more consistent with the other game mechanics. Certainly a lot better than getting an additional attack.

[Haspen]

Familiarity improved a bit. SS invisiblity simplified and explained. Bows and Guns now locked in WTA/WTD relationship ;v

[GiglameshDespair]

Bloodborne emblem - the title logo in progress. (reference)

For those who aren't in the know, Bloodborne is a sort of Victorian eldritch horror dark souls. The player is a Hunter, someone who hunts the citizens-turned-monster of the city of Yharnam, using guns and transforming weapons called trick weapons to do so.
It's pretty cool, and I am very fond of the setting.
Therefore.

Spoiler: Stats (click to show/hide)

Stats are a little different, to reflect bloodborne a bit more.

% stats: can add % to these.
HP : HP affects HP, astoundingly enough.
STR : STRENGTH affects damage with physical weapons.
BLD : BLOODTINGE affects damage with firearms.
ARC : ARCANE affects damage with arcane weapons
SKL : SKILL affects chance to hit and crit.
LUC : LUCK affects hit, evasion, and dodge.
SPD : SPEED affects attack speed and evasion.
 
Set stats: Cannot add % to these.
CON : CONSTITUTION affects weapon weight and AID
AID : AID affects ability to rescue
DEF : DEFENCE affects damage taken.
RES : RESISTANCE affects arcane damage taken.
MOV : MOVE affects move distance.
 
Defence and resistance come from wearing armour sets, which have negative affects on con, hit, dodge and AS? To be decided.
Armour is nice, but not if it engenders timidity.

Spoiler: Classes (click to show/hide)

Classes: origin -> workshop
Origins: Milquetoast, lone survivor, professional, noble scion, waste of skin
Workshop: Church, old hunter, powderkeg, saw hunter, cosmic eye, crow hunter, cursed, beast

I'm thinking of adding some kind of class skill to each origin, and I need to add weapon profeciences as well. The weapons tree is simplified, and the game itself may be slightly shorter than a full fef.
Remains to be see. All very theoretical at this point. The stats are likely to change, as well.
 
Origins:
 
How a man is raised can define him. Raise him as an animal, and he will never be anything more than an beast.
 
MILQUETOAST
An ordinary, happy upbringing. Average stats, with no particular weaknesses.
HP 18
STR 3
BLD 2
ARC 2
SKL 3
LUK 3
SPD 3
CON 4
AID 3
DEF 2
RES 1 
MOV 5
 
LONE SURVIVOR
An upbringing punctuated with a terrible tragedy. The endurance to survive any trial.
HP 20
STR 2
BLD 1
ARC 0
SKL 2
LUK 1
SPD 2
CON 5
AID 4
DEF 3
RES 2 
MOV 5
 
VIOLENT PAST
Terribly violent past. As violence is the domain of hunters, a past filled with such is no bad thing.
HP 17
STR 4
BLD 3
ARC 1
SKL 3
LUK 2
SPD 2
CON 5
AID 4
DEF 1
RES 0 
MOV 5
 
PROFESSIONAL
Upbringing focusing on elegance and skill, over brute strength. Civilisation is, after all, what separates man from beast.
HP 16
STR 2
BLD 2
ARC 1
SKL 4
LUK 3
SPD 4
CON 4
AID 3
DEF 1
RES 1 
MOV 5
 
NOBLE SCION
A well-respected pedigree. The nobility has always lauded itself as the forefront of man.
HP 16
STR 0
BLD 4
ARC 4
SKL 4
LUK 2
SPD 3
CON 5
AID 4
DEF 0
RES 0 
MOV 5
 
WASTE OF SKIN
You shouldn't have been born. Talentless, but perhaps even you can become something.
Gain an additional 50%.
HP 16
STR 1
BLD 1
ARC 1
SKL 1
LUK 1
SPD 1
CON 4
AID 3
DEF 1
RES 1 
MOV 5

Spoiler: Weapons (click to show/hide)

A hunter typically has two weapons: a trick weapon and a gun. He has both equipped, and can counter with the trick weapon. Equipping a new weapon is an action.

However, a trick weapon can transform as a free action before an attack, much like changing a weapon in a mainline fef. THus, each hunter effectively can choose 1 of 3 weapons to attack with.

The weapons triangle is serrated -> beast -> blunt -> serrated.
Firearms are outside this triangle, as are some arcane weapons.

Example weapons:

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Name               | Type () | Rng | Wt |Mt |Hit |Cr | Ql )
Hunter Pistol      | HGun (E) | 1-4 |  4 | 5 | 65 | 5 | 20
Hunter Blunderbuss | HGun (E) | 1-3 |  6 | 3 | 80 | 0 | 20 Reduces enemy eva by 10

Saw Cleaver        | Srtd (E) | 1   | 10 | 8 | 75 | 0 | 30
-> Extended        | Srtd (E) | 1-2 | 10 | 7 | 60 | 0 | ^

Kirkhammer         | Blnt (D) | 1   | 15 | 12 | 70 | 0 | 30
-> Silver sword    | Srtd (D) | 1   | 7 | 7 | 85 | 5 | 30(saw cleaver, kirkhammer)

Thoughts? Is this something people are interested in?

[Twinwolf]

All of the yes ever

That is my thoughts

[Haspen]

Finish Dark Souls Emblem and then we can talk, mister |v

[Twinwolf]

More seriously, I'm not sure if 50% Progression is worth starting with one in every stat but HP and CON/AID