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Current one, unchanged.

+4 AS and +5 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+2 AS and +3 DMG on Player Phase, with additional +2 AS and +2 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+1 AS and +1.5 DMG for each space moved up to 4 spaces.

Current one but AS bonus is converted to DR from the end of the Player Phase until the next one.

I don't know but I want to see the results.

[Parsely]

Looks like the kind of stuff that might save me a lot of time. My suggestion is adding an option to save previous stats you insert there, so you won't need to add it all again.

That's the plan! When it's complete you shouldn't have to touch the input fields at all. I want for the end user to be able to:
- Upload a text file and have the page retrieve the stat values and put them in automatically.
- See Derived Stats input field values change in real-time as you tweak stats.
- Punch in stats for a weapon or a character sheet and be able to export a text file.

BMM42 shared some design documents with me that I'm going to be working off of so it's thanks to him that I've already got some cool plans in store for the calculator.

BMM42's wishlist: http://pastebin.com/ihmSu7WH

[Praefectus Screptum]

Reposting the "killer" weapon variation for the subcategory that had no weapons with crit-rate or very small chance because I forgot to add a few subcategories.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Name Type ( ) Rng Wt Mt Hit Cr Ql
Bloody Flail Bldg (C) 1 13 13 60 25 30
Killer Pilum Sper (C) 1-2 9 7 70 20 26
Killer Pilum Sper (C) 2 9 7 70 20 26 (For those using the recent handbook)
Ballistic Dagger Side (C) 1-2 7 8 75 10 25
Killer Spear Sper (C) 1-2 9 10 70 30 20
Cleaver Crsh (C) 1 10 10 70 25 25
Frost Nova Wind (C) 1-2 10 8 85 25 20
Effective against Flying Units.
Conflagration Fire (C) 1-2 12 10 75 25 20
Sharpshooter Long (C) 2-3 10 7 65 10 20
Cursed Fire Drud (C) 1-2 10 9 70 20 20
Trumps killer weapons, loses to others
Nightmare Anci (C) 1-2 13 12 70 20 20
Reduces the opponent's HIT by 15 for 1 round
Merciless Thrw (C) 1-2 9 8 65 25 20

[Sirus]

I see no reason to give druidic magic multiple killer weapons. Make one, which trumps other killer weapons or something else not covered by an existing druidic tome, and call it a day.

[Blade Master Model 42]

I see no reason to give druidic magic multiple killer weapons. Make one, which trumps other killer weapons or something else not covered by an existing druidic tome, and call it a day.

Yoooooooo.

[Praefectus Screptum]

Post modified, all those tomes were placed with Cursed Fire.

[Sirus]

I see no reason to give druidic magic multiple killer weapons. Make one, which trumps other killer weapons or something else not covered by an existing druidic tome, and call it a day.

Yoooooooo.

Not sure if good yo or bad yo.

[Swordstar]

By that same argument, you probably don't need both Killer Pilum and Killer Spear. Also Pilum have 26 QL is a really odd number. I get giving it even number so that even set of uses but at that point just give it 30 or 20.

Honestly, I don't really see the point of adding *more* crit weapons since each weapon type has some crit weapons and typically giving your PCs more crit is not something a GM wants to do.

Also like... these seem pretty OP?

Spoiler: Comparisons (click to show/hide)

Killer Flail: Same everything as Steel Mace (C), except 5 less hit for 25 more crit.
Killer Pilum: Same everything as Steel Pilum (C) except 20 extra crit for 4 fewer uses.
Ballistic Dagger: One more WT, 2 more MT, 5 less hit, 10 more crit than similar C rank dagger
Killer Spear: Straight up better than Short Spear in every option
Cleaver: Better everything except hit (tied) than lancereaver, though reaver does swap wta but prolly not enough of an advantage to justify +1 mt, +20 crit
Frost Nova: +3 mt, +5 hit, +25 crit to lose effective vs armored
Conflagration: +3 mt, -5 hit, +25 crit to lose effective vs horseback (even just comparing frost nova and conflagration there's an imbalance)
Sharpshooter: I actually might argue this one is underpowered. It either loses completely to Steel Yari (-25 hit and -5 uses for +10 crit is not a lot) or basically ties Lunar Longbow except trades effective vs armored for 10 crit
Cursed Fire: -2 to 3 wt,  +5 to 10 hit and +10 to 20 crit in exchange for -2 to 3 mt is ehh. I think you're discounting how much wt is worth? (Also not really a fan of this cause it ruins the whole gimmick of the line which is they trump a whole bunch of things but lose to even more things where this is trumps like 8 things and loses to 90% of the weapons vs trumps 1/6 of the things, etc)
Nightmare: Simultaneously think it's overpowered and underpowered which might mean it evens out? Stats wise, it's similar everything except +20 crit, but then the effect it has is a lot weaker than Stone (which would prevent actions for a full turn) and forcing opponent to miss their counter attack.
Merciless: This one isn't great but isn't terrible? It loses a bunch of wt and a few mt points and gains a bunch of crit. The only reason this isn't terrible is because usually axe users have a lot of con so the wt isn't as much of an issue, but losing 4 to 7 points of wt and gaining 25 crit in exchange for 2 to 4 points of mt is a big change.

In general, I think you're discounting how much things are worth? In general, a good rule of thumb to have is -/+1 wt=+/-1 mt=+/-5 hit=+/-5 crit buuuut that crit is really powerful. If you look at all the other killer weapons, they're typically either all around worse than the other similar rank weapon or they're about the same but the other weapon has some effect like reversing weapon triangle or effective damage. The only one I'd see as different is the recurve subcat but poison bow sucks so eh.

A good example actually is Killer Crossbow vs Silver Crossbow. They have the same MT, but the Killer Crossbow has +2 wt, -20 hit, and +30 crit. So it follows the stuff I said above.

In general, I don't think the weapon ideas are terrible. I just think they're unbalanced and also that giving more crit to PCs is a bad idea

Edit: I don't know exactly how QL use translates into stuff, but prolly similar +/-5 QL for the above stuff? That one is a bit harder to translate.

[Blade Master Model 42]

I see no reason to give druidic magic multiple killer weapons. Make one, which trumps other killer weapons or something else not covered by an existing druidic tome, and call it a day.

Yoooooooo.

Not sure if good yo or bad yo.

I think its a neat idea.

Edit: I haven't poured over the weapon stats myself, but if you're just slapping extra crit on weapons comparable to what's available, that's going to be REALLY powerful.

[Praefectus Screptum]

If you didn't pay attention to the topic, it was about giving killer weapons to the subcategories without critical weapons or with low chance. Bludgeon weapons literally have no critical weapon, for example so obviously a Killer Axe will be a lot more useful most of times as the difference of weight and mt between bludgeon and hack doesn't make it a very inviting subcategory.

So yes, it might need some balance on wt/mt yet and that's why I posted here. So I can at least try to put some balance on stuff like mt, wt and hit rate to make sure it won't be OP but also won't be underpowered. If you think more killer weapons aren't needed, that's ok people have different opinions.

Edit: And after checking the handbook I can see there isn't that much of a difference when it is about hit rate between killer and non-killer weapons of the same category. So besides decreasing mt and increasing wt of some, I probably will just need to decrease 5 hit of some I didn't before.

Double Edit: List is fixed, increased the WT of most of weapons, decreased MT of some, -5 Hit to the ones that were side-to-side with C rank weapons.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Bloody Flail Bldg (C) 1 13 11 60 25 20
Killer Pilum Sper (C) 1-2 11 7 70 20 26
Killer Pilum Sper (C) 2 9 11 7 70 20 26 (For those using the recent handbook)
Ballistic Dagger Side (C) 1-2 7 5 70 20 25
Killer Spear Sper (C) 1-2 9 6 60 30 20
Killer Halberd Pole(C) 1 12 8 65 25 20
Cleaver Crsh (C) 1 10 8 70 25 25
Frost Nova Wind (C) 1-2 8 4 80 25 20
Effective against Flying Units.
Conflagration Fire (C) 1-2 11 6 75 25 20
Sharpshooter Long (C) 2-3 10 6 65 20 20
Cursed Fire Drud (C) 1-2 11 9 60 20 20
Trumps killer weapons, loses to others
Nightmare Anci (C) 1-2 13 10 65 20 20
Reduces the opponent's HIT by 15 for 1 round
Merciless Thrw (C) 1-2 13 8 60 25 20

[Swordstar]

I don't have the handbook with me so I can't see for sure but you seem to have missed my point? Just going off the first one, you just reduced Mt by two which by my numbers would still give the killer weapon a 10 crit bonus over the other. The issue with comparing existing killer weapons to the other c rank weapons is often those weapons have some sort of special effect the c rank of other categories don't, like reaver status or effective damage. So you need to compare them more to the other weapons in the category you're putting them in than how other weapons compare to existing killer weapons. Especially because crit is so powerful.

Also I think you derped your second pilum Mt and wt maybe?

As for my comments, I think it's not overly necessary because each weapon type, not subcat, has some sort if killer weapon. Crit is stupid powerful. Trying to add more of an already powerful type is risky as shown by the fact that you're making essentially more powerful versions of the weapons that exist. I still think just comparing the two lists that some of these are stronger than they should be but would need to check the handbook to really be sure.

[Praefectus Screptum]

Actually I also compared them to some of the B/D rank weapons and of course as stated before with the normal C ranked weapons, so not really. And well, like I said before, that's your opinion. I just think it is unfair that only some specific subcategories have some kind of crit rate. Some subcategories literally have little to none advantages compared to the "main" ones, so it is a way to encourage people to try new subcategories too. And I fixed the second Killer Pillum now.

[Swordstar]

I'm going to assume they're on average weaker than B and stronger than D? I dunno, I still think you're underestimating how strong crit is but *shrug*

[GiglameshDespair]

Crit is powerful, yes, but adding killer weapons to every subcat isn't the way to make other subcats more viable.
Subcats should provide more variation. If a subcat is too weak, emphasise the subcat's strengths, not just adding crit.

[CrimsonEon]

So I had a thought- currently Vuln Dancing is a pretty crutch tactic, and players aren't really feeling that much heat from enemies with high crit weapons. Usually Haspen would handle this by creating weapons that cause players to lose more down counters on being downed, but here's another idea for a difficulty modifier:

‹CrickEt›  maybe there should be overkill penalty, like, people's HP goes negative when being downed
‹CrickEt›  healing while downed will heal full amount so long as there is negative HP to heal, but bringing people positive again cuts healing by half?
‹swordstar›  So if you're -8, healing with a vuln leaves at 1
‹CrickEt›  yeah, like that

It would definitely hurt to be crit under this kind of system, but a good healer could still bring up a player in a reasonable amount of time. Vulns won't be as effective when healing people who really took a beating, but can still handle people downed by being grazed pretty effectively. It'd also ensure that people with Wrath, Resolve or other <% HP skills have to play more conservatively.

Any thoughts on this? I get the feeling I'm missing some factor in this that unreasonably increases the difficulty.

[Swordstar]

That thing might be effective damage crits. If you get slammed for 100+ damage, you're pretty much dead. Maybe put a cap on it?