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Current one, unchanged.

+4 AS and +5 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+2 AS and +3 DMG on Player Phase, with additional +2 AS and +2 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+1 AS and +1.5 DMG for each space moved up to 4 spaces.

Current one but AS bonus is converted to DR from the end of the Player Phase until the next one.

I don't know but I want to see the results.

[SeriousConcentrate]

They also have to be in fairly close range too, though, right? I mean it's not like Anja could do that from halfway across the map.

[Haspen]

All dances have range of 1-2 and can affect 2 enemies at once.

[SeriousConcentrate]

Exactly. She had to get to the normal attack range to do it, which is more dangerous than hiding behind five or six generals and using Paralysis.

[Blade Master Model 42]

I think the Dances are already counter balanced by their range and the fact that boosting allies is going to be a tempting prospect in return.

[Xanmyral]

I'm and advocate of differing bases when it comes to staffs and dances. I feel they're alright otherwise though. If you really want to lower the chance, maybe just increase the multiplier for the distance penalty.

[Solymr]

So it appears the 3AS 5DEF option won so that's what they get.
I'll switch to trainees now and then the formula. But we have to keep thinking about the classes.Bishop, Commander, Crusader?

Squeegy anything from Toady?

[Blade Master Model 42]

The problem with simply rolling Trainee levels and whatnot as they are now is that it invalidates First Class as a viable starting point.

The way I understood the book, Trainee and First Class starts are supposed to be two sides of a coin, rather than Trainee starts blowing First Class starts out of the water so hard they wind up back on the high dive. The idea is that while Trainees start out weaker than First Class, they eventually surpass them. The keyword here being Eventually. It shouldn't be going on by level 3 of First Class.

Not to mention my way obviates extra rolling when someone joins a game late.

[Solymr]

Completely forgot about this and I come back and there's a tie.
Dammit guys I bet if you tried to vote in political stuff they wouldn't let you because it would always end on a TIE :V

[Blade Master Model 42]

It's always a problem with the democratic method.

[Solymr]

Finally. Now for staves/dances formula.

[Blade Master Model 42]

As Crusaders are going to be put to a vote later, we should probably discuss what character skill we'd like to give them.

I propose that they keep Heroic Light, and instead of Cover get Crusade.

Crusade
Activated effect

A character with this skill can activate it at any time during the Player Phase once per map. The character selects one First Class. That class and its promotions automatically lose to this character on the weapon triangle, regardless of what weapon they are using. This effect lasts until the end of the map.

[Solymr]

We have a tie. Again.

Meanwhile, any ideas regarding Falcoknights, Warriors or Swashbucklers are welcome.

[Blade Master Model 42]

Meanwhile, any ideas regarding Falcoknights, Warriors or Swashbucklers are welcome.

Popular current ideas include:

Warrior getting Rough and Tumble similar to the Fighter-Hero from 1.22
Falcoknights getting Charge that is not hp restricted, activated rather than passive, and simply relies on having a higher speed than the opponent.
Swashbuckler getting an improved Water Walk, and not ignoring the weapon triangle if they would be losing (an ability tentatively named I Am Not Left-Handed)

Debate stuff you don't like and suggest things you would, please.

[Solymr]

Alternative for Falcoknights is Galeforce nerfed to one extra action and maybe less hit or move.

Also poll is finished, staves and dances will get each a different base hit.

[Blade Master Model 42]

Here is my proposal for staff hit rates.

Spoiler: Ailment staff category proposed hit rates (click to show/hide)

Sleep 20%
Poison 45%
Slow 20%
Befuddled 20%
Silence 30%
Paralyse 15%
Berserk 10%
Stone 10%
Misfortune 20%
Forget 25%
Weakness 20%
Brittle 20%

And dances. For the moment I'm suggesting quite high hit rates for several that previously did not require rolls to hit.

Spoiler: Offensive Dance proposed hit rates (click to show/hide)

Surprising Shimmy 75%
Subtle Jynx 75%
Enamouring Step 20%
Gypsy Lure  50%
Petrifying Twist  75%
Enchanting Tango 75%
Vixen's Waltz 20%
Disarming Swing 75%
Sickening Shuffle 20%
Bewitching Foxtrot 20%
Despair March 30%
Valkyrie's Arrival 75%

EDIT: Also Status Effect stuff because we never did actually finish that. The main difference between Variants 1 and 2 here is the function of Paralyze, which there has been some discussion about changing.

Spoiler: Ye olde Status Effect Listing, Variation 1 (click to show/hide)

Poison: Deals 1-6 damage per turn at the beginning of the unit's phase. Lasts 3 turns.
Silence: Prevents the unit from using tomes or staves. The unit also cannot communicate verbally with other units. Lasts 3 turns.
Berserk: Forces the unit to attack the nearest enemy unit at the beginning of their phase. If there are no enemy units in range, the unit will attack the closest Ally. If no one is in range, the unit will move toward the closest other unit. Activated Effects cannot be activated while Berserk. Lasts 3 turns.
Sleep: The unit cannot move or act while afflicted with sleep. Attacks automatically hit a sleeping unit. A sleeping unit who is attacked immediately wakes up, but cannot counter the attack that wakes them. Lasts 3 turns.
Paralyze: The unit cannot move or act while afflicted with Paralyze. Attacks automatically hit a paralyzed unit. Lasts 3 turns.
Stone: The unit cannot move or act while afflicted with Stone. An enemy that attacks a unit afflicted with stone, they gain 30 to their crit rate. Lasts 3 turns.
Fear: The unit afflicted with this condition cannot initiate battle. Additionally, they must spend their move action running toward allies if they are alone, or seeking defensive terrain if they are not. If the target can reach better defensive terrain with their MOV, they must do so. Lasts 3 turns.

Spoiler: Ye olde Status Effect Listing, Variation 2 (click to show/hide)

Poison: Deals 1-6 damage per turn at the beginning of the unit's phase. Lasts 3 turns.
Silence: Prevents the unit from using tomes or staves. The unit also cannot communicate verbally with other units. Lasts 3 turns.
Berserk: Forces the unit to attack the nearest enemy unit at the beginning of their phase. If there are no enemy units in range, the unit will attack the closest Ally. If no one is in range, the unit will move toward the closest other unit. Activated Effects cannot be activated while Berserk. Lasts 3 turns.
Sleep: The unit cannot move or act while afflicted with sleep. Attacks automatically hit a sleeping unit. A sleeping unit who is attacked immediately wakes up, but cannot counter the attack that wakes them. Lasts 3 turns.
Paralyze: Prevents the unit from using Swords, Axes, Lances, or Bows. Lasts 3 turns.
Stone: The unit cannot move or act while afflicted with Stone. Lasts 3 turns.
Fear: The unit afflicted with this condition cannot initiate battle. Additionally, they must spend their move action running toward allies if they are alone, or seeking defensive terrain if they are not. If the target can reach better defensive terrain with their MOV, they must do so. Lasts 3 turns.