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Current one, unchanged.

+4 AS and +5 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+2 AS and +3 DMG on Player Phase, with additional +2 AS and +2 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+1 AS and +1.5 DMG for each space moved up to 4 spaces.

Current one but AS bonus is converted to DR from the end of the Player Phase until the next one.

I don't know but I want to see the results.

[Solymr]

I've been seeing a bit of discussion about xbows and I had an idea about them:

Crossbow AS being half STR + half SPD.

What do people think?

[Haspen]

Why do you ask me when my answer to these tweaks and new stuffs is 85% of the time the same?

[Xanmyral]

I dun approve. I feel they're fine as they are now. Also, strength doesn't represent the ability to carry objects in this game otherwise they would affect the weapon's WT, so it would be muddling the waters of the stat segregation.

[Solymr]

The main idea is to give a reason for xbow specs to have STR and other archers to consider using xbows without their STR going to waste.

[xelada]

The very idea of Xbows is that their damage is more or less fixed. The reason for a Xbow specialist to have str is to have more versatility, if they has no str then they are very much limited to a set of weapons that only get stronger when you get the new model.

[Sirus]

Nay to Solymr's idea. Crossbows are perfectly fine as-is.

[Solymr]

Of course this change would mean xbows getting a slight buff in other areas such as damage.

And yes this is targeted against the 0% STR xbow spec a lot of people including Sirus build v:

In any case I want to ask Cecil if he's still around if what he intended for xbows is for them to be used only in a no STR build while boosting other stats to infinity and beyond.

[UXLZ]

I mostly just despise the 0% STR build crossbows encourage. The character either has a crossbow and is godly (unless it's super late game) since they get a bunch of extra growths to spend in tanky/hit stats, or they're basically useless since their strength is crazy low.

[Blade Master Model 42]

I think Otiros avoided both ends of that. The only time he was a crazed killing machine was that one map I had with the fliers (which had to be reset after the tpk the first time around), and even when his crossbow was negligible in damage output, he was still useful as a wahl because Praef built his character that way.

[UXLZ]

I guess I just don't like the over-reliance of picking up a crossbow when you go 0% STR.

[Blade Master Model 42]

Then don't make a crossbow based build then, I guess?

[Swordstar]

Spoiler alert: by the base rules you're not actually allowed to make a 0% str build. The wording there is unclear, but Cecil did specify. You're allowed to leave one of mag or str at 0%, not both. You are required to put at least 10% growth into the stat used by your base weapon, which is why you'll note that Grif has 10% STR growth. It's still min maxing, but it's not quite as bad as you're all making it out to be.

[Blade Master Model 42]

Spoiler alert: by the base rules you're not actually allowed to make a 0% str build. The wording there is unclear, but Cecil did specify. You're allowed to leave one of mag or str at 0%, not both. You are required to put at least 10% growth into the stat used by your base weapon, which is why you'll note that Grif has 10% STR growth. It's still min maxing, but it's not quite as bad as you're all making it out to be.

Actually, Grifen has mag growth, doesn't she? So she totally could have had 0 str prog.

[Swordstar]

Nope, she couldn't. Because her base weapon prof was a physical weapon, which means she needed STR growth. Which one you need is based off your trainee class.

[Blade Master Model 42]

Huh. Weird.