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[lcy03406]

In the Legion group a dwarf can train weapon skill very fast to level 20. But it's a pain in armor skill. I'm considering put every soldier in the Guard group for 1 year and then transfer them to Legion group.
And the mages have more trouble. I didn't train them in military. And lamellar leather is as heavy as iron, say, heaver than steel. I'm making and buying mithril and chitin. But I think it's better train them some level of armor skill. Any ideas?

[Frostea]

Place your dwarves in squads of two, and they will spar very often. Remove shields from their gear and they will hit each other on the armor frequently, training the armor skill as a result.

[MerkerBenson]

just stick them in the danger room with just their armor on...legendary in 5 minutes
Otherwise, take their weapons away, give them really heavy armor, capture a creature that is hard to kill but can't penetrate the armor(such as a grimeling, my hammerdwarf hit it in the head and broke every bone in its body for over one month without killing it, I needed an axedwarf for that, however the h-dwarf became legendary in a lot of skills, such as dodging, hammering, fighter, shield, some armor and such) and improvise an arena in which that creature attacks yer dwarfs until they become great armor users. Grimelings are easy to capture in cages, can't do much through mithrill armor and incredibly hard to kill, I recommend that.
PS: Keep an axedwarf ready for when your trainees start getting hungry/thirsty/ wounded, or a way to recapture that creature.
Also, basic armor skill can be trained in the library of warfare, which should give your men a head start.

Cheers

[Meph]

legionnaires dont learn armor/shield faster than normal dwarves. Guardsdwarves learn these skills well.

[MerkerBenson]

masons thrown into the danger room with just some armor on learn it the fastest (hey I can't be bothered to reguild/respec every one of my 130 dwarfs, the most skilled ones die first to some "accident" 5 minutes after I finish the micromanagement of their training )

[Broken]

if a danger room is too gamey for you, you can use a coinstar, that only trains armor skill.

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Danger_room#Coinstar_Room

[Meph]

The garrison should have a training reaction for armor as well. and the library of war.

[lcy03406]

The garrison should have a training reaction for armor as well. and the library of war.

I like it. But it should not be the garrison. I know that dwarven mages really enjoy their everyday training in squads in barracks. But it would be too gamey to send them to the garrison, to learn armoruser, repeatedly. They have wizardry school. Maybe they can do someting in the tavern instead? Or take a long trip from the expedition starting point? Or, can you add a magic so mages can boost armoruser skill for themselves? Or better, a magic to temporarily make the silk rope harder than steel? Or simply, mages learn floating in the school of wizardry, the others learn armoruser in the garrison.

[Tenderroast]

coinstars are the best.... just such a huge pain in the ass to set up.

[MerkerBenson]

Just toss'em in the danger room with nothing but armor on them, increases dodging and armor user.

Also, what determines the speed at which dwarfs complete the "throw a bottle for dodging" reaction? What's the xp gain, my baron did the reaction 2-3x and barely gained 2 levels in dodging...

[mahrgell]

2 levels are really a lot... How could you complain about that being too slow? Try playing with invader skills on 2 and without training exploits and you will quickly notice a huge difference.
 People are just too used to exploiting the hell out of the game... (and sadly normal training in >2man squads is so awful, that it is hard to find a middle ground)

[MerkerBenson]

Actually, I'm not used to anything, this is barely my 3rd fort(MW features are just so AWESOME I had to try it out ), but yes, normal ways of doing military training are WAY too slow compared to the rate you can lose a very skilled dwarf to his own stupidity.. Seriously, I micromanage a smith for 30 mins to become really good and he goes out to grab some freaking out of burrow body parts for ash right in the middle of the enemy siege, and instead of running BACK at the fort he runs INTO MORE ENEMIES. And another time I lost a freaking legendary +15 speardlord in a battle against a smaller number of nightwings(20-30 dwarfs vs 10 nightwings) because he got poked in the foot and fainted at the sight of his own blood...and he was basically unbreakable in toughness, incredibly agile and all that jazz dwarfs get from danger room+weight bench for 5 years... what's the point then . My legendary skilled dwarfs die like flies, the useless ones prosper for some reason lol

Also, there's no mention anywhere regarding the XP gain in dodging from the tavern...or any other reliable way of training dodging

[Meph]

With 100% skill learn rate they gain 60xp per reaction in the tavern. With harder learning its 50% of that, but as a scout/wrestler caste its 200%.

[lcy03406]

2 levels are really a lot... How could you complain about that being too slow? Try playing with invader skills on 2 and without training exploits and you will quickly notice a huge difference.
 People are just too used to exploiting the hell out of the game... (and sadly normal training in >2man squads is so awful, that it is hard to find a middle ground)

The old teacher/demonstration training in >2man sqards is not so awful in vanilla DF. But with hard learning, legendary axemen may have only level 5 in any armor/shield/dodge skill. Yes level 5 is a lot. But what's the point of legendary axemen if you don't dare command them to charge into goblins?
I will put all the soldiers in the guard caste in my next fortress.