WhitiusOpus
Also, this.
In summary, I'm on the line (leaning towards yes) as to keeping you alive, but mad at myself for not changing it to NAV to help ensure a D1 lynch. Then again, this was his first BM game.
[Bolded part] This does not sound like a phrase town would use at all. Keep me alive?
How is it not a phrase a town would use? Maybe my wording is odd, or off, but what I'm trying to say is 'letting you live'. That's what I did, right? By switching my vote off of you, it allowed you to participate in the next day, and not be lynched. I'm not trying to 'keep you alive', that was a bad choice of words. I meant, 'allowing to to continue to breath'. But even then, that's not a great wording either, is it? That infers that I'm the one who decides your death. Maybe the best way to say this is "I'm on the line as to having switched my vote, and therefore leaving you alive, and us with a no lynch".
It's been your whole demeanor so far that I'm getting at, you're not acting like someone who's been trying to find evidence of scumminess, you've been acting like someone who trying to trip people up to accuse them of it.
Here, I'll pull up some of the things I'm talking about.
MastahCheese: Alright, "scumbiscuit", how do you think the best way to apply pressure to someone is? What's the distinction between knowing if you've cracked a newbie, or a scum?
This is your first question towards me, already calling me scum. Normally, this wouldn't be worth mentioning, except to point out that I was the first person you singled out in this manner, and persisted on it. Looking back, the only one.
Hmm, you point out that you're the first and only person I've singled out,, but then you go on and put my question towards 4maskwolf. And TDS. I switched votes in hopes to get players more active in the game, and hadn't realised how close to the end of the day we had come, making the vote final.
Wrong, sir.
Read it again, all of it.
I said the only person
in this manner. And you say I take your words out of context.
Mastahcheese: Are you happy that I took my vote off you, giving you another day to live, and the time to kill in the night?
Now the night is over, the lurker is dead, and you once again resume your attempts to trip me up with a question that is, once again, already implying scumminess.
...And it's now that I realized that I've quoted the vast majority of what you've posted so far.
Everything you've been saying has been blatantly attempting to pin me as scum, before even letting me answer the question.
That's the way I've been scumhunting, and probably is horribly ineffective. I'll work on it. I know implying that someone is scum constantly isn't the best way, but it works. At least in this case. [1] You are overreactive to my posts, and sensitive to the implications of you being scum, to the point of having to point them out. You consistently accomplish very little of you're own scumhunting, while being very adept at deflecting questions aimed at yourself, and putting counter-arguments. [2] So far, the only thing you've done is defend yourself.
[1] Wrong, I'm pointing out your repeated attempts at labeling, the fact that defending yourself against scum is something that scum can use against you
in and of itself, in the act of defense, means that I'm going to make sure I'm thorough.
[2] So my attack on you, my
scumhunting of you, is nothing? The attack that you
chose to ignore until now, is absolutely nothing? I'm not even going to point out the rest that I've done, and the reason is that I've realized that this another of your traps.
I show where I've been scumhunting? You say I'm trying too hard to prove I'm town.
I'm not that easy to fool.
I think I'll answer your question now, Opus.
What do you think? Should I have left my vote on you, or forgo a D1 lynch? I don't think lynching someone on their first mafia game is a viable option.
I don't think that lynching someone D1 on their first game is viable, either. From a point of information, you should have gone with the lynch on me, because there's no better time in the game to perform a lynch than D1, it has the least risk.
I don't "have control over this". I "had the ability to let you live or hang". I don't think it's a scum perspective, if that is what truly happened. I believe the above answers this. As well, it's interesting to note you completely glossed over the part about you killing in the night. Any reason for that?
[Bolded part] This once again ties in with what I'm pointing out above. You're asking questions, well, with this, not even asking, just accusing, things that serve absolutely no purpose,
except to draw a response from me, in the form of something to be used incriminatingly.
You say that I kill in the night, how can I respond to this?
Obviously, there is only one answer, to say that I didn't, at which point you'd ask why I felt the need to point it out.
But you knew that already, didn't you?[/quote]
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! You've
finally guessed that I was using that to get a reaction. In your case, an oversensitive reaction.
You see, you're response here actually provides insight into how you play this game. [1] Instead of what you suggested, the "I didn't", or playing it off, you think through this reasoning and turn the question around. [2] By carefully thinking how to respond, you're able to try and flip the question onto me. [3] And no, I didn't know how you'd respond. That was the point.
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[1] Are you suggesting that I
don't think through questions that are asked of me? Sorry, I'll be dumber for you next time.
[2] "trying to flip the question on you" is me pointing out that you're trying to push me into a trap, in which
any answer would frame me for scum, even to the point that
me pointing this out, you're still trying to use this as a trap.
[3] Read it again, and use the context. "you knew that already, didn't you?" is not implying that you already knew the
answer, it's implying that you knew that your question was a trap, with only one likely answer, one you could use to incriminate with.
Context.
[1] Basically, I see no reason for your vote on me, mastahcheese, other then OMGUSing. You're taking what I've said and twisting it to fit what you want. Yes, I may have over exaggerated my vote-change, but then again, not many people are here to give their perspectives. [2] Otherwise, you've taken some quotes out of context, and phrasing it as if I'm talking from a scum perspective when I'm just referring to what happened D1. I bet your scum buddy will be proud when you lead a myslynch today.
[Bolded part] Do you still fail to see how this is being continued by you? I don't think I can make this more obvious.
There are two things I want to say to this.
[1] Your accusation of an OMGUS is amusing, seeing as how I'm actually proving evidence of my accusations on you, while you're just repeating "scum!" and leading the questions to innately agree with you. It almost makes me thing that the reason you voted me is just to call out "OMGUS" once I start to press you on the matter.
[2] Out of context? I've quoted you word for word. And please point out what it is that I'm supposedly taking out of context, since you're failing to provide context at all with this.
The OMGUS accusation is definitely applicable. Once you've been voted, you immediately lashed back at me, and stopped trying to hunt other players. You became very, very, defensive. And I have provided evidence towards my votes, you just decided to ignore them, and I am not going to dig through the thread to find them. If others want them, they can find them. It's to difficult on my IPad to find quotes.
You have quoted me word for word, you've just taken those words out of the context they were provided in. Anyways, that was a minor point.
In case you've failed to notice my playstyle, I
tunnel. I select one person who I'm suspicious of, and I
single them out. The same way you've been doing to me, might I add.
[1] Please don't go easy on me just because it's my first game. Not Like I really need to say this any more, considering day 1 of my first Mafia is over.
Mastahcheese: You were the last person to vote, even though you knew the vote wouldn't accomplish anything. Why then did you vote?
[1] Well, day 1 is over, and you need to actually be here to learn.
[2] I voted to hopefully get Pufferfish to respond, I still find his actions to have been very scummy, and I'm awaiting his response on the matter. I've already stated that I'm not going to D1 lynch a player on their first game. I'm not the only one who thinks this way, either.
[1] Here is your futile attempt to question others. You try to appear to be scumhunting, while it's merely a facade to appear active towards others. Puffer hasn't been active enough to get a read by me at all. How is his behavior scummy?
[2] In summary, during this entire game you have not produced very little towards finding legitimate scum, and only defending yourself. Mainly I've been attacking you, which is probably a mistake on my part, but then again, it has produced an interesting reaction from you. [3] You base the fact that I'm scum by my questioning of you, but then you try and focus everyone else's attention on me, and becoming overtly aggressive towards me as well. [4] It detracts from finding the scum, which I believe to be your goal. (The detracting part, not the finding.)
[1] Way to actually read. If you'd gone back and read my argument towards Pufferfish, like I invited people to go and do multiple times, I pointed out that he was not playing aggressively, and didn't actually form an attack on 4mask, until I pointed out a spot where he
should have. I thought that his reluctance to engage himself was a scum-tell, not a cop-tell. I've made that mistake before, but now we don't have an surviving power roles.
[2] I find it interesting that you say "legitimate scum". That's a nice little subtle message you're trying to place.
[3] I base the fact that you're scum by the fact that you're asking questions in a manner that would suggest incrimination, rather than discovery. You don't need to find evidence that someone is scum, you just have to find something that you can use to convince others that they're scum. I've pointed out
numerous times that your method has been a rather clear attempt to cause people to answer questions that
can't be answered in an non-incriminating way. Your method doesn't find scum, it
makes scum.
[4] You're assuming that people can't hunt scum while we're arguing. I assure you they can.
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