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[4maskwolf]

Mostly Confirmed abilities, assuming towniness:
Cheese: free day sap, free day scan (He knew how many points snail had without scanning him)
Jack A T: all his stuff
Native: Fortune Teller, unless he is scum, in which case who knows.
Leafsnail: day sap, recycle
Jim: Prolific santa
TDS: formerly changeling, now bunch of stuff
Objective: changeling and negative stuff
Tack: nothing
P-Luke: confirmed dead on arrival

Unconfirmed abilities, even assuming town:
Tiruin
4maskwolf
Persus13
Tawarochir
Toaster

Thought I would put the list out there for perusal.  Though my claim is mostly supported by Jack A T and Mastahcheese (Jack found only one power and two autos, which is what I claimed), I put it under the unconfirmed since there is no technical game evidence I'm using kill until I perform one.

Also, yes, Miller is too powerful.

[Leafsnail]

Cheese: free day sap, free day scan (He knew how many points snail had without scanning him)
Jack A T: all his stuff

No.  A team-mate could just have easily got that information.

Jim: Prolific santa

Similarly that ability could belong to a partner (although that seems really unlikely since that would imply either two scum santas or psychic Jim)

[Leafsnail]

Right I missed it was "assumed town".  But if someone's "assumed town" then you can also assume they're telling the truth, I'm not sure I really see the point of this list (other than exposing the flaw in your reasoning).

[NativeForeigner]

Native: Fortune Teller, unless he is scum, in which case who knows.

I wish I had enough time to make a fake list that accurate.

Can we get a votecount, please?

I want to vote Leafsnail, but I'm not comfortable hammering.

[Toaster]

I gave up both starting the Mafia DF Succession Game and listening to ER Talk 3 to do this post.  I hope it's worth it.


Unvote Leafsnail.  He's not the converter.

I didn't see a compilation of action claims, so here's one.

Spoiler: Action Claims (click to show/hide)

Tiruin:  Free-Protect MOWE[Toaster] (Blatant), Inflate Kill
mastahcheese: D2:  Sap Leafsnail, gain 8 points.  Scan 4mask, result 1 point.  Scan TDS, result 4 points.
4maskwolf: No actions
Jim Groovester: N1 Gift Leafsnail and Jack
Tack: Got Recycled
NativeForeigner: Fortune Teller
Objective: ---
MyOwnWorstEnemy[Toaster]: Trueinspect Leafsnail, returned Mafia
Deathsword[Persus13]: ---
Tawarochir: Santa'd Leafsnail
Jack A T: D1 Flavorinspect Tack (said to be consistent with his original claim); N1 Counted 4maskwolf (Blatant) - 1 power 2 autos; 4maskwolf agreed.  Gained a power N1.  D2 Flavorinspect TDS: consistent with his claim.
Leafsnail:  N1 Recycle Tack, gain power.  D2 Sap Tack, gain 7 points.  Sapped D2.
TheDarkStar: Changelinged Objective (agreed by Objective)

Persus and Objective:  Claim your actions.  If I missed them, my bad.


I totally disagree that Leafsnail wouldn't pull the recycle-sap combo as town.  Since the scum team does not have a group kill, nullifying the player who does have a kill/convert is almost as good as a kill.  And if he misses, the townie still has reason and a vote.  He's aggressive enough to take the risk- plus hey, more points for him.  Good thing he can't buy Prolific any more.


4mask:

But seriously, did anyone even bother to read my idea of who to lynch?

Yes.  It was terrible.  You don't test lynch when there's a converter about.


So updating that list a bit:

Definitely Scum, but Not Converter:
Leafsnail [N1 convert most likely]
Objective

Probably Town:
Tiruin
Jim

Not Converter, most likely:
Tack  [Recycled, which would have blocked him]
TheDarkStar  [Changed with Objective]
Jack A T  [Claimed logical-sounding flavor inspect on Tack D1; targeted 4maskwolf in the night]
mastahcheese  [Can do three things in the day- no way could afford Convert as well. Nonvoter]
4maskwolf  [Claimed kill with no counterclaim; Could have both but that's really unlikely; has two autos to go with converter- what would they be as scum?  Nonvoter]

Possible converters:


NativeForeigner [Claimed Fortune Teller]
Persus13
Tawarochir 

Why those three?  It's possible there is a scum Fortune Teller, who gave the list to Converter Native to obfuscate his abilities.
Deathsword's claim is really weak, and there is absolutely no conformation of it in any way.
Tawarochir does claim two abilities that aren't claimed anywhere else, but if Native is scum it could have been edited that way.  Leaf does counterclaim Tawa's claim, but Leaf is scum so that's not worth a lot.

So which one is it?  I don't know for sure.  I need to reread those three specifically but I'm out of mental energy for the night.  (It's probably one of the latter two.)


I hate questions to everyone, but it's time for some.

Everyone:  Who do you think is the converter, and why?
Both Leafsnail and I and TDS and Objective have hard-counterclaimed each other.  That means one of each pairing is scum.  Who do you think it is for each pair?

Also, Leafsnail has claimed one gift.  Both Tawa and Jim have claimed giving him one.  No one seems concerned about this.  Why?

I agree with Jim that mastahcheese should pick up Free-Recycle and use that to start mass-nuking potential converters if we fail to lynch the correct one, and Objective/Leafsnail if we do correctly lynch.  Not Prolific Kill because Leafsnail will just recycle you.

[Leafsnail]

Why is Tiruin just "probably town" with no further reasoning at all?

[Leafsnail]

Also you're using that assumption again.  Literally straight after the post I took it down in.

[Toaster]

Leafsnail:

I'm willing to bet good money that Leafsnail was converted N1.  Why?  He would have very loudly browbeaten any scummate that tried to take innocent as a power.  I'm mentally willing to clear Jim over this as well (which also makes him current town; lack of Day Convert is yay.  Also, no Cleanse.).  Initial read puts Tiruin as town too, because of this post:

Quickpost

P-Luke is innocent.

Having played a good bit with Tiruin, I don't see Scum Tiruin making such a play; Town Tiruin is willing to risk herself to shield others she perceives as innocent.

^



What assumption?  The only two I list as most likely town are Jim and Tiruin, and the only relevant assumption you could mean is the Santa Conundrum, in which case I don't see your point (except that you may be implying Tawa is town because you're scum and therefore probably lying about anything and everything.)

[mastahcheese]

Everyone:  Who do you think is the converter, and why?

I agree with Jim that mastahcheese should pick up Free-Recycle and use that to start mass-nuking potential converters if we fail to lynch the correct one, and Objective/Leafsnail if we do correctly lynch.  Not Prolific Kill because Leafsnail will just recycle you.

I think it's persus.

Also, I'll have 10 points at day end, I could get prolific free recycle.
Nukes away.

[Leafsnail]

Well yeah the assumption that eg mastahcheese isn't claiming a teammate's role is true in reality, but it is amusing that you're using reasoning which only works if I'm town

Same goes for everyone else, in fact, if Native is scum.

[Toaster]

Well yeah the assumption that eg mastahcheese isn't claiming a teammate's role is true in reality, but it is amusing that you're using reasoning which only works if I'm town

Which is?  Remember I'm catching up from behind here.

[Leafsnail]

"mastahcheese must have his role because he inspected/stole points" does not work if he had a teammate with tha role.

Also I'd like to invite everyone to look at Toaster's reason for clearing Tiruin of all suspicion.  It's pretty fucking pathetic.

[Tiruin]

Could you make up your mind on your reads and hold them to what they are instead of attacking everyone who doesn't go against yours?

Besides--despite the spuriousness you shove onto me and my claim, you refute it because of my...honor. Which is a very good tactic.

However I've to point out the implications it holds. Given my understanding of the point-system, would you also hold the truth to fact that my scumteam: those that I've been in contact with since the start of the game wouldn't rely on my advice?

That the latter claims of the day have been, in all sense, holding brevity overall?

"mastahcheese must have his role because he inspected/stole points" does not work if he had a teammate with tha role.

Also I'd like to invite everyone to look at Toaster's reason for clearing Tiruin of all suspicion.  It's pretty fucking pathetic.

Like you associating my pre-game talk with my now-game talk?
Like you saying Tiruin is an experienced player and a good one at that (pertaining to how sloppy my role is)--which only holds if we accept this idea as basis for the construction for my role?

Like how your only counter argument is that the scumteam switched and mixed their powers when in total contradiction the claims they have given, suck?

That's countering your own idea--and the basic idea of 'do not attract unwanted or overattention to thyself.' Could you give your revamped list of scummies now? Mine hasn't changed, by the way.

[Tiruin]

PS: We've done our clearances of certain people who should be town due to how they stated their notes--could you target that instead of going onto general statements, LS?

Do not vote Leafsnail. He is not the converter.

Native: Fortune Teller, unless he is scum, in which case who knows.

I wish I had enough time to make a fake list that accurate.

Can we get a votecount, please?

I want to vote Leafsnail, but I'm not comfortable hammering.

That means you, sillykins. :I

Votecount/Timecount/NQTcount?

[NativeForeigner]

That means you, sillykins. :I
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I haven't voted yet, silly.