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[4maskwolf]

Leafy leafy leafy, how wrong you are.

My hypothesis only relied on having ONE hardcore unclaimed, so the fact that the list I based it off of was slightly wrong means nothing.

Tiruin cannot be scum, because she has TWO POWERS that nobody else has claimed. And there were only THREE Santa gifts given, but that would result in FOUR UNCLAIMED POWERS. If you do the math, that is impossible.

You are scum, and VERY bad at it. You have done nothing but try to scare the town into lynching someone else, because you are AFRAID. NOBODY else has found a single hole in the logic, yet you take something that ISN'T EVEN RELEVANT to my argument and try to prove it false that way. Deathsword is the converter and YOU are trying to cover his ass. Now he is Persus, but the name change means nothing.

That being said, have a cookie for your efforts. Then resign yourself to your fate. If, by some miracle, you don't flip scum when we kill you right after Deathsword, then MOWE and Tawarochir are the last scum. Either way, your death will help us greatly.

[4maskwolf]

Your ENTIRE ARGUMENT revolves around the egotistical assumption that the scum are out to get YOU. Why you? Why not me, the guy with the nigh-unstoppable night kill. It would have been so much easier to frame me as scum: I HAVE A KILL. But somehow, TWO SCUM outright lied to get YOU killed. I call bullshit.

[Leafsnail]

Tiruin cannot be scum, because she has TWO POWERS that nobody else has claimed. And there were only THREE Santa gifts given, but that would result in FOUR UNCLAIMED POWERS. If you do the math, that is impossible.

You're assuming that Tiruin claimed a mixture of only her own powers and powers that were gifted.  There's nothing stopping her from claiming teammate powers.

[Leafsnail]

Indeed, doing so would be a good way to provide an extra level of protection for the converter.

Also as I read it your theory requires the points from both hardcores to work.

[Jim Groovester]

Tiruin, why are you voting Deathsword?

I'm trying to piece together what 4mask is saying with my notes. Matching NF's list: Aiming for the converter.

This isn't an explanation.

Unvote

Could you make it look any more like a bandwagon? You vote Deathsword at the last minute, and then when the extension rolls around you unvote.

Why are you voting Objective? He has Changeling for anything else. Not prioritizing the possible converter there, I assume?

Maybe you missed the part where he was scum and there was less than an hour left in the day when I voted.

Given my scumlist, DS is a vague variable amongst us all-and yeah, I'm unsure--what does that tell you?

Sure enough to vote for him at the last minute.

Tiruin. I just remembered how much Tiruin was cackling about role choices and combinations in the pregame. Look at this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

MWAHAHAAHAHAAA
WIN

Tiny query: Can one take as many flaws as one likes?

Unless anyone can convince me that would be a really bad idea, I don't see why not.

"Psst, hey scumbuddy, I'll take Cleanse and Protect and you take the kill and all them flaws (probably with Prolific) and I'll hit you tonight, K?"

>:3

I think you are going to get some seriously broken gameplay here.

Because seriously. +11 flaw-points are overkill. o_O
Perhaps limit the # of flaws?

[insert evil laughter here]

She was thinking about this stuff, but come gametime, she derps out and picks a horrible, redundant, and suboptimal build.

I find this difficult to believe. Basically there's no way her build happened as claimed.

[4maskwolf]

...Godammit guys.

If Deathsword isn't converter, I know who is.  And rest assured that they, if I have the town's support, will die.  Because my kill cannot be stopped.  And because Leafsnail should recycle this person, leaving them helpless.

If Deathsword is scum, then yes, Tiruin is under suspicion.  But I hand you a scum, based entirely on logic, and you let Leafsnail talk you out of it.  The one who is the most obvious scum here, other than Objective.

Jim, you should know better than that.  Unless you are scum, there is NO REASON to listen to Leafy.  Yes, Tiruin could be scum, but Tiruin is NOT the converter.  She simply does not have enough points for it.  Anyone who is looking can see that obviously.  There is only ONE way she could be the converter, and if Deathsword does not flip converter we block her and I'll explain who the obvscum are tomorrow, if you all haven't figured it out by looking at my breakdown of roles and whatnot.

But all of these claims of you all are based on ASSUMPTIONS.  The only one who did a breakdown of the points is me, and that breakdown led me to a logical conclusion.  None of the rest of you can say the same.  So unless one of you wants to break down the system and finds another converter, can explain it reasonably, and have no errors in your calculations, then I suggest you pay attention to the one analysis that was run.  The fact remains that, town or scum, lynching Deathsword will give us a massive stack of information to work with.  Which cannot be said of a Tiruin lynch.  Yes, Tiruin may be scum, but she is not THE scum we want to kill.  And if Deathsword isn't the converter, then I know exactly who is.

[Leafsnail]

Yes, Tiruin could be scum, but Tiruin is NOT the converter...  There is only ONE way she could be the converter

So which is it?

And if Deathsword isn't the converter, then I know exactly who is.

Who?

As I have stated before I believe you analysis was operating under a flawed assumption (that the converter could not claim powers that their partners have) and I'm not blindly trusting it.  Even if Tiruin herself does not have enough points according to her claim she could have simply claimed in some of the powers that someone else on her team had.

[4maskwolf]

Yes, Tiruin could be scum, but Tiruin is NOT the converter...  There is only ONE way she could be the converter

So which is it?

And if Deathsword isn't the converter, then I know exactly who is.

Who?

As I have stated before I believe you analysis was operating under a flawed assumption (that the converter could not claim powers that their partners have) and I'm not blindly trusting it.  Even if Tiruin herself does not have enough points according to her claim she could have simply claimed in some of the powers that someone else on her team had.

Yes, she could have.  And she is the ONLY other person who can be the converter.  But Deathsword is the more likely one, given his weak claim, and if he truly does have a hide gifted to him then he needs to die so he can't dodge death.  If he is not the converter, then you recycle Tiruin, and I nightkill her.  Then we know that you are innocent and MOWE is scum, because Tiruin converted her in the night.  Then we knock off MOWE and, because Tawarochir is almost certainly scum because you have been cleared, he dies too.  Then it is just Objective left.  And we win.  So if Deathsword dies, either way, the town has strong footing.  But if Tiruin dies and flips town, then we have no more to go off of, while the scum have the night to screw me over and the day to bamboozle us.

[Leafsnail]

Tiruin's claim is a lot weaker than Deathsword's.  And if Deathsword does hide they won't convert anyone so who cares.

[4maskwolf]

Tiruin's claim is a lot weaker than Deathsword's.  And if Deathsword does hide they won't convert anyone so who cares.

But if Tiruin is lynched and is town, then there is nothing we can do.  The scum team will find a way to neutralize me so that sword can convert.  Then it will be damn near game over, because there are two scum who started as town and will be far harder to determine analytically.  I'm not willing to bank on that.  I'd rather go for the surefire determining factor than a gamble, however probable, and if you are truly town you would do the same.  Because if you are town, our power combo, combined with Cheese's insane point numbers, can win this game for us, and lynching Deathsword will provide massive insight into the nature of the scumteam.

[Leafsnail]

I can recycle Deathsword just as easily as I can recycle Tiruin.  I really don't see where you're coming from here.

[Leafsnail]

The only difference I see is that Tiruin has an actively awful claim while Deathsword has an unconfirmed one.

[Jim Groovester]

But if Tiruin is town then you're scum and you're not going to recycle Deathsword.

How about: all the people who have bloodthirsty, of which there are several, pick up useful powers like BLOCK at the day end and use it on the offending players in the event that Tiruin ends up being town?

Also, mastahcheese has like eight points and no night powers. There's no reason he couldn't purchase Free Block and throw that out like candy.

[Jim Groovester]

Or even better pick up Recycle since people can pick up Unstoppable in response to blocks.

[Leafsnail]

Sure that works too.  Recycle is cheap enough that almost anyone can buy it.