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[Leafsnail]

Tack has no points or abilities.  He is not a priority.

If Deathsword is a "vague variable" then why did you vote for him with just an hour to go?  On a day where we really need to hit the converter?

[Tiruin]

Wat.
I don't even have any gift from Tawa. >_> Where are you getting these ideas that you throw at everyone else from?!

This is the thing I've just come to realize: Tiruin's roleclaim is a huge load of shit.

Let's use more expletives in opening the wound on how bad Tiruin is at making a role, shall we? 

She's taken a 5 point ability she doesn't need and a 2 point upgrade she didn't use.

Uh huh. Why?
Next: I used that bloody upgrade--explain before you mudsling at others.
^{Because seriously, I'm hating you when you play scum more and more. See: Smstr w/ Love as a tangent-note.}

PPE:

Tack has no points or abilities.  He is not a priority.

If Deathsword is a "vague variable" then why did you vote for him with just an hour to go?  On a day where we really need to hit the converter?

Then how much of a priority was he at this day's start?

Compare DS to you and oBjective. Add Tawa into the list. I always see Tawa, when he goes defensive/retractive, as town-ish because of how he words his posts.
I voted him so we won't end up in a draw or whatever like that. In which 4mask's assumption makes sense to me-however I have a feeling like there's something missing--not in his assumption but in the general sense of it all.
I ask you--why did you vote him, then begin accusing others of "bandwagoning"?
Grasping at straws won't help, though I note you're good at that.

[Leafsnail]

I don't have enough time to spell out all the details right now (PFP) but here is the rub: 4mask made a false assumption in his reasoning.  He assumed that the converter must be the one who claimed the gifted ability, and cleverly used that asumption to exonerate himself.  Do you see where I'm going with this now?

[Tack]

I dropped my suspicion of Tiruin due to the fact that she was one of the first to claim, and had blatant.
You make a decent case for me to resume them:

However, Leafsnail, you seem to be throwing around random suspicions. The scumteam can at most be four people right now.
Considering that there's already the 1v1 between TheDarkStar and Objective, and you obviously have to claim OWM in order to continue with your innocence.
So which four do you think it is?
And now an exercise: If you were scum, and not OWM, who would you, objectively, believe was the rest of the scumteam?

[Leafsnail]

*assumption

Tack was never a priority today.  Maybe I was wrong about him after all, but that isn't really the problem right now.

Can you restate what you did last night?  You lied about it repeatedly so I'm sortof unsure.

[Tiruin]

Can you restate what you did last night?  You lied about it repeatedly so I'm sortof unsure.

This is to me right?
I free-protected MOWE and I inflated Resurrect.
Also I 'lied' about it once. In getting a reaction from you (and 4mask or the other active-peoples at that time).

[Leafsnail]

That last post was for Tiruin.

Scumteam: Tiruin (converter).   Tawa.  MOWE.  Objective/TDS (not 100% on this one yet).

You're right that it doesn't seem to be 4mask, I jumped to concluions there.  But there's someone else on that list who claimed a 6 point power.

If I were on the scumteam I'd know who the mafia was for a fact.  I don't understand the question.

NQT: when a player inflates something, when does everyone else learn that?  Would a blatant player be seen inflating something?

[Leafsnail]

Inflation wouldn't be an alibi though anyway, MOWE's true action is unacounted for.

[Tack]

If I were on the scumteam I'd know who the mafia was for a fact.  I don't understand the question.

Which doesn't sell it to me at all.
I said objectively. Put yourself in my shoes, and then make Leafsnail obviscum. Who do you believe the rest of the team would be? Would the scum having a recycle change anything?
Tell me, would you see Leafsnail's endless bickering with Tiruin as a double-bluff? Or would you look to a different person as the converter?
What about Leafsnail's sudden (and not entirely subtle) flipflop on deathsword? A sloppily executed master plan, or just covering his bases?
Tawa lying, then, is also based on Leafsnail's claim of only receiving one power. If Leafsnail is obviscum, does that clear Tawarochir? And who takes his place?

NQT: when a player inflates something, when does everyone else learn that?  Would a blatant player be seen inflating something?

Blatant only works when you're targeting a player, I believe.

[Tiruin]

NQT: when a player inflates something, when does everyone else learn that?  Would a blatant player be seen inflating something?

...I'll let NQT answer this. He told me No, but then you won't believe me anyway (because it is a mechanics-action).

That last post was for Tiruin.

Scumteam: Tiruin (converter).   Tawa.  MOWE.  Objective/TDS (not 100% on this one yet).

You're right that it doesn't seem to be 4mask, I jumped to concluions there.  But there's someone else on that list who claimed a 6 point power.

If I were on the scumteam I'd know who the mafia was for a fact.  I don't understand the question.

NQT: when a player inflates something, when does everyone else learn that?  Would a blatant player be seen inflating something?

Uh huh. So let's assume I'm the scumteam--we'll have unaccounted powers. Say, Protect. Free. 4 points in all
Convert costs 7.

Starting with 5, proven blatant so 7. Assume I've gotten that into the mix for Convert so 0 points.

-1 - hardcore (all protects on you fail- cannot be taken alongside night-kill immune)
-1 - dense (you gain no experience points for surviving the day)
-1 - Mercenary (all your powers cost one point to play. Must have at least one applicable power in order to take this flaw)
-2 - unreliable (your powers and autos have a 50% chance of failure. Must have at least one power or auto in order to take this flaw)
-2 - magnetic (your powers have a 50% chance of targeting yourself- must have at least one other-affecting power to take this)

So from the list and all claimed powers (and unclaimed ones), to be safe, let's get free-protect/protect, of a total of 4 points.
I take hardcore, dense (or mercenary, whichever--it gets the N1 point cancelled) for a bonus of 2.
Then either unreliable or magnetic--which would then end up with an inefficient build. Something which doesn't help with Convert at all.

Inflation wouldn't be an alibi though anyway, MOWE's true action is unacounted for.

She said she targeted your face and popped out as scum. :I
Your only defense was that she wasn't acting 'like a regular cop should', inferring that there's a principle by which regular cop-players should act in order to be believable.

Now could you please back up your point on how 4mask exonerates the only person with a claimed infallible NK (meaning: Himself)?

PPE:
Reads, Leafsnail. Reads, Tack.

Spoiler: Here are my reads. (click to show/hide)

- Tiruin = SHE IS SCUM LYNCH HER
- mastahcheese = Town
- 4maskwolf = Town
- Jim Groovester = Neutral
- Tack = Town (Yeah.)
- NativeForeigner = Town
- Objective = Scum (scummy, rather, but compared to TDS' claim? It would be a VERY risky operation for TDS unless he knew he was winning--foremost)
- MyOwnWorstEnemy = Town, given her wording, demeanor, disposition, and irregardless of timing--how she presented herself.
- Deathsword = Neutral because ugh. Lacking posts does not help--though the note of how late he claimed? Doesn't help, in a bad way (I just hope he's doing ok because replacement, since it's that bad. >.>)
- Tawarochir = Townish due to last words//most recent posts
- Jack A T = Townish due to how I read his posts/words and the details within his posts
- Leafsnail = Scum. :I Somehow I also read you with a smidget of doubt that you're actually town. That's how good you are at being scum. (though, really? Due to how you made your posts. I see accusation after accusation and something doesn't ring right with how those accusations are presented. More of a 'throw off trail' than 'towny poking at all leads'.)
- TheDarkStar = Town (townish, rather, but compared to Objective? The extra Bloodthirsty doesn't help the case and thus proves that massclaiming is a GOOD IDEA in this matter, given that slip)

I'll just grab some NF links for posterity.
4mask's last note
Jim's note (in which he gets my protect-list wrong :I)
Tawarochir, Tack, Objective and NF all claimed Bloodthirsty. There are only 3 bloodthirsties available. TDS did not claim Bloodthirsty.

[Tack]

Why read yourself as scum? It's just... I don't...
I'm going to bed.

[Tiruin]

...I'm disproving it. u_u

Why read yourself as scum? It's just... I don't...
I'm going to bed.

Well good night. :I

[Tack]

Also before people begin chasing a useless link:
I bought bloodthirsty at the end of day 1 and then immediately lost it.
I didn't have it, and never claimed it.

The closest I came to was this:

That sounds like a great excuse to bandwagon.
I'm assuming you have the Bloodthirsty perk, as well, to back that up?

How on earth did you guess?

Which was due to votepressure, and which only a few posts later I countermanded with my full claim, also due to vote pressure.

Which is nice.
But seriously, Tiruin. Recycle happens before fortune-telling. My bloodthirsty (which I did actually buy at the end of day 1) wouldn't be in the list anyway.
Get your head in the game.

[Tiruin]

Also before people begin chasing a useless link:
I bought bloodthirsty at the end of day 1 and then immediately lost it.
I didn't have it, and never claimed it.

The closest I came to was this:

That sounds like a great excuse to bandwagon.
I'm assuming you have the Bloodthirsty perk, as well, to back that up?

How on earth did you guess?

Which was due to votepressure, and which only a few posts later I countermanded with my full claim, also due to vote pressure.

Which is nice.
But seriously, Tiruin. Recycle happens before fortune-telling. My bloodthirsty (which I did actually buy at the end of day 1) wouldn't be in the list anyway.
Get your head in the game.

. . .Y'know, nobody pointed that out.
So who was the other cop?!

[Tiruin]

Before you answer, that was rhetorical//hypothetical.