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[Leafsnail]

Tiruin: I'm just going to have to say no, I will not answer all that.  Every time I ask you anything you send a torrent of random and unrelated points back at me (many of which are completely incoherent), and it just wastes my time and everyone else's time because they don't want to read it.  Frankly it is really starting to annoy me, as I feel like you're just using the threat of a massive and pointless back-and-forth debate to discourage people from ever engaging you.

If you have any points you would like me to answer then state them clearly and concisely.  I know you're going to act aggrieved about this but I really am trying my best to be as straightforward and honest with you as possible.

[Tiruin]

You should really look into what I'm saying instead of denouncing it all the time.
Because I DO NOT throw fluff back at people when they set up an argument against me.

That is an insult to me as a player and my capabilities in speaking English.
*continues reading*
... u_u Right.

Let's just point towards the latter part of my post there: You do notice the points you bring up are unrelated to the day time at hand, right?
...Though that does raise a question.

NQT: When can a power/auto be bought? If bought--can it be used during the same time it was bought? (ie Day- was bought during the day, can the power it is attached to be used in the day? As well as Protect--if that was bought in the night, can it be used in the same night it was bought?)
Sans anything disrupting points.

[Tiruin]

And on that thing on me lying--I linked the post (the one next to the  smiley) where I said I would understand your premise, or more specifically what you were apparently thinking regarding that.
In which I explained it. Looking back, I don't see any response to that statement in that post in particular.

But to specify: Out of anything else, you believe I lied and forgot about my role back then, and that my intent was to mislead people by stating an allusion to an inspect out of anything?

[Leafsnail]

Err, not to burst your bubble, but this is D2.
That is D1.

Yes.  But MOWE said I was her most suspicious player at the end of Day One, and I was pointing out that that does not line up with the posts she made at the time.

I've to point out that the semantics of using the word 'town' (including the words that make up that sentence) are different. This is what I meant by you saying 'explicitly town'.

...Now I'm forgetting my English termnology >_> but anyways: the usage of 'town' in the last 3 parts are as a generality--pointing towards nobody in essence being affected or specified and rather, the idea or the notion of the town. (Um.. note the article here. Can't probably word it better...)

Why are you defending a point you didn't make?  I want to hear from MOWE on this matter, not you.

Err, Leaf? That's her only post for today.

No it is not.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=137283.msg5127129#msg5127129

This has the day 1 title (presumably because she replied to a day one post), but it still occurs during day 2.

[TheDarkStar]

Tawa:

Tiruin: I agree that we should lynch the converter. Earlier, I was unsure, but I now suspect Tawarochir, especially since he hasn't claimed.

Tawa: Could you please claim? Also, why are you so defensive of Leafsnail? Could you explain why you think he's simply scumhunting?

First, claim what? Miller? I'm not miller, I thought it would be a bad idea.
Second, defensive? I'm not trying to be defensive, if that's what you're getting at.
Also, um, I was using my horrible-as-heck gen 1 kindle when I said that, and just hitting links is hard there. I didn't want to go back and look for quotes.

I was going to respond to this, but I think Tiruin has summed up the stuff that I was going to say.

Leafsnail:

MyOwnWorstEnemy, not sure how I messed up the colour tag.

One more question: why are you claiming now?  I am confirmed to not be the converter, and therefore not the person who the town really needs to lynch today.  Why did that fact make the idea of claiming more palatable?

It's not my question, but it deserves answering. I agree that we should not lynch you yet, but it's important for the info about you to get out now rather than save it and risk being converted.

Everyone:

Since LS and Objective are both probably not converters, we should probably lynch Tawarochir tonight. Over this game, he has agreed with LS on just about everything; he also has defended LS (I'd post quotes, but I'm out of time here).

PPE: Leafsnail, MOWE had RL going on and was gone for a long time.

[Tiruin]

Err, not to burst your bubble, but this is D2.
That is D1.

Yes.  But MOWE said I was her most suspicious player at the end of Day One, and I was pointing out that that does not line up with the posts she made at the time.

...Which were?
Yeah, she unvoted--you could ask her why she unvoted.

I've to point out that the semantics of using the word 'town' (including the words that make up that sentence) are different. This is what I meant by you saying 'explicitly town'.

...Now I'm forgetting my English termnology >_> but anyways: the usage of 'town' in the last 3 parts are as a generality--pointing towards nobody in essence being affected or specified and rather, the idea or the notion of the town. (Um.. note the article here. Can't probably word it better...)

Why are you defending a point you didn't make?  I want to hear from MOWE on this matter, not you.

That is a point I did make. I think you just ignored it. :I
Searchword: Explicitly.

Err, Leaf? That's her only post for today.

No it is not.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=137283.msg5127129#msg5127129

This has the day 1 title (presumably because she replied to a day one post), but it still occurs during day 2.

Oops. :x
Err, right.

TDS

Everyone:

Since LS and Objective are both probably not converters, we should probably lynch Tawarochir tonight. Over this game, he has agreed with LS on just about everything; he also has defended LS (I'd post quotes, but I'm out of time here).

PPE: Leafsnail, MOWE had RL going on and was gone for a long time.

Off the top of my head:
Jim didn't claim.
DS didn't claim.
...
The basis of a person's connections are a better tell than the rest claiming? (Also...I guess I'm biased on his case but him being scummy, here, to me, is...his newbieness showing. To me. >.>)

[Leafsnail]

I'm not criticizing MOWE's absence.  I am saying that if she wanted to go public with her result she could have done it in her first post of day 2 instead of making an incredibly banal point about me (and not even voting).  The main thing that has changed between now and then is the revelation that I can't possibly be the converter, so why claim now and not then?

[Leafsnail]

Tiruin: seriously, stop answering for MOWE.  No, this isn't a chance to dredge up one of your old points.

[Tiruin]

Tiruin: seriously, stop answering for MOWE.  No, this isn't a chance to dredge up one of your old points.

I'm not answering for her. No, you don't predict what I'm going to say.

I'm bringing up a point which you didn't even address (or, well, did, but dropped it: And when I say dropped it, I mean didn't talk about it ever again.)

[mastahcheese]

Why did nobody point this out?

This is a ridiculous stretch.  People refer to "the town" instead of "us" all the time.  If you really, honestly think of this as a scumtell then there are tonnes of other posts in this game that you should have flagged up, including

You know what? I bet the people who choose the meanest power combinations won't be the scum, it'll be the town.

You use my quote as an example of people referring to "the town", when I also use, "the scum" is the same sentence, literally 3 words before it.
I'm fairly certain that with regards to what you're trying to use my quote for, my quote is invalid as evidence in it.

[Tiruin]

O_o
...I think I did use that as valid in the use of the article mentioned and how the idea is read out.

[mastahcheese]

But he's using it as an example of people saying "the town" as opposed to something like "us", where I clearly used "the town" as a distinction from "the scum", because it was right next to it.

Am I the only one who sees the distinction?

[Leafsnail]

Ok if you're going to be pedantic about my examples try searching "lying to the town" within this subforum.  It is a phrase people use.  I have used similar phrases in the past as town.  This is a complete non-point and I will say no more about it.

[Tiruin]

TDS or Objective are scum.  Leafsnail or Tiruin are scum.  And someone else is scum.  Let's just lynch someone we know is scum and hope they aren't the converter.

What were Objective's...
Objective is scum.  All those built up points could easily be used for a convert, and TDS would never know about it.

4mask: You recall that TDS picked Changeling, right?

4 - Changeling (target player gains all your powers/flaws/autos and you get the powers/flaws/autos of your target)

[Tack]

Well Jim's 'unique position' should be available now.
Let it out, big guy. Wrap this all up in a nice bow.


Also Tawarochir, claim.