EBWOPAs I have stated before I believe you analysis was operating under a flawed assumption (that the converter could not claim powers that their partners have) and I'm not blindly trusting it. Even if Tiruin herself does not have enough points according to her claim she could have simply claimed in some of the powers that someone else on her team had.
Leafsnail, let me shove this up your mouth and ask you politely to STATE FACTS, PROVE THEM.
I've given my whole debasing of your case--you've given me
crap.Given your intellectual prowess, I expected something more other than outright, blatant,
baseless assumptions.Tiruin's claim is a lot weaker than Deathsword's. And if Deathsword does hide they won't convert anyone so who cares.
Leafsnail's claim is a lot weaker than [person's]. Sans any explanation. And if Leafsnail does hide, they won't kill him
sans any use of infallible NIGHTKILL so who cares.
OH WAIT, CHANGELING!
You've very good at blowing off steam while ignoring your teammates in lieu of practically implicating other people.
Good thing that you can only lie so far.
The only difference I see is that Tiruin has an actively awful claim while Deathsword has an unconfirmed one.
Yes. I've an actively AWFUL claim.
Are you actually going to
speak to me directly about it or do I have to receive flak and backhands from people who I thought actually think, huh?
But if Tiruin is town then you're scum and you're not going to recycle Deathsword.
How about: all the people who have bloodthirsty, of which there are several, pick up useful powers like BLOCK at the day end and use it on the offending players in the event that Tiruin ends up being town?
Also, mastahcheese has like eight points and no night powers. There's no reason he couldn't purchase Free Block and throw that out like candy.
How about all people who have infallible rolecop actually hit the prime suspects so we could have a bit of notice on them: Like me, Leafsnail, Deathsword and now probably Jim.
Also you did check on mastahcheese...right?
I think the fact that it costs the same amount as Block might be a balance issue
True :/ 3 point power to completely destroy another's point-build?
Hence why I suspected a scum-saboteur list early in game.
If Deathsword is scum, then yes, Tiruin is under suspicion. But I hand you a scum, based entirely on logic, and you let Leafsnail talk you out of it. The one who is the most obvious scum here, other than Objective.
WHAT.
Couldn't anyone
EXPLAIN ANYTHING ANYMORE?!
It's like I'm talking to people with another language I'm totally missing while hearing what I want to hear.
Yes, Tiruin could be scum, but Tiruin is NOT the converter... There is only ONE way she could be the converter
So which is it?
And if Deathsword isn't the converter, then I know exactly who is.
Who?
As I have stated before I believe you analysis was operating under a flawed assumption (that the converter could not claim powers that their partners have) and I'm not blindly trusting it. Even if Tiruin herself does not have enough points according to her claim she could have simply claimed in some of the powers that someone else on her team had.
Yes, she could have. And she is the ONLY other person who can be the converter. But Deathsword is the more likely one, given his weak claim, and if he truly does have a hide gifted to him then he needs to die so he can't dodge death. If he is not the converter, then you recycle Tiruin, and I nightkill her. Then we know that you are innocent and MOWE is scum, because Tiruin converted her in the night. Then we knock off MOWE and, because Tawarochir is almost certainly scum because you have been cleared, he dies too. Then it is just Objective left. And we win. So if Deathsword dies, either way, the town has strong footing. But if Tiruin dies and flips town, then we have no more to go off of, while the scum have the night to screw me over and the day to bamboozle us.
ONLY other person?
ONLY Other person?!
I just read you say that I'm
UNLIKELY to be the converter!
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4mask What does anything you say here, explain those people you're mentioning?Because I'm staring at the screen with a :| expression now.
Also what're you referring to by
One the other hand, lynching Deathsword as town gives us Tiruin, MOWE, Tawarochir, and Objective, lynching him as converter gives us Objective and Leafy, and lynching him as scum but not converter would give us Objective and Leafy, with the third scum unknown.
? Third scum pertaining to the one that got converted yesterday? Yea, let's assume that--but a 4th member would usually not lie in place of their town-abilities given that notice due to having no reason to lie (or in the least, give the scumteam tips on it--if they didn't communicate, it'll show).
PPE: YEAH TWENTY PAGES. LET
ME CRY MORE.Why do you cry...
Oh, let me get a nice note. Nobody even caught that my read list is stating people in exacts. I see terms like Town and Scum. Doesn't that make me scummy~
Did you find a logic hole Tiruin? I must have missed that. Please, enlighten me.
No I mean that you say that nobody has found a single hole in [Leafsnail's] logic. So what is your opinion regarding what I'm saying?
You keep asserting that lynching Deathsword will give us more information but I honestly do not get any of the inferences you're drawing at all. And Hide seems like an OK town choice (indeed, we already know a townie picked it). Not great, but it at least gives the player a chance of wasting the scum conversion. Unlike Tiruin's bizarre redundant role.
Shall I bang my head against this wall and ask you to
explain yourself?
Like, explain the first sentence?
You love doing this thing as scum. Say something wholly untangental to the idea at hand, denounce it, then shift the tone at the second sentence.
PPEJIM
The only difference I see is that Tiruin has an actively awful claim while Deathsword has an unconfirmed one.
Bullshit. Tiruin's claim is actually a lot stronger than Deathswords. While it was a poor power combo choice on Tiruin's part, Deathsword claims to be sitting on ONLY hide and miller, which is a ridiculous combination to begin with. He is an experienced player, and there is no reason for such a bad combo of abilities. As a point of fact, hide is not a very useful ability in this game, because dodging night actions isn't worth as much as you think it might, particularly when half the night actions in the game are simply to neutralize the actions of others.
This argument against Deathsword applies just as equally to Tiruin. She's an experienced player, but she gets a pass because....................?
You're not exactly clear why Tiruin's apparent incompetence when selecting a role is somehow less offensive than Deathsword's.
And you never said anything about me at all in selecting a role (especially regarding why I did so) other than this is fishy.
Anything. At all.
This is a lot of froth and spittle. More than I normally expect from you.
In any case, I've noted my suspicion towards your build for a while now, and I think it's relevant to note your villainous mastermindish attitude before the game and compare it to your 'oh drat i am le worst build picker ever oh noooooo~~~~' attitude now.
I just woke up, and see crap coming from you instead of an intellectual argument. Forgive me if I happened to
format my post in such a way that you recognize it as aggravation.
I will be more blunt with you next time.
In any case, I've noticed that your suspicion is in brevity, and I think it's revelant that you actually make a case from what I said beforehand and not use such things pre-game that I can't defend against (really. Think about this for once.) as a case-basis.
Using that as a clue to my attitude? Oh now, Jim. You fail to see the implications just had just by you assuming it. If you're scum, then that's
low but I'm starting to realize just how low scum players can get in this game.
At least Leafsnail is doing it with some flair. You just kick straight below the belt.