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[Jim Groovester]

...So what is Jim's fullclaim?

May I direct you to the assembled list of role claims, as first tabulated by myself, and completed by 4maskwolf.

[Tiruin]

You know, some feel that words like "scumtell" or "buzzword" are tells, Tack.

You know, some feel that explanations should be given out on this theory on a sample of the population, Tawa.

You should seriously explain yourself.

Tack: Lurking is not a scumtell. Lurking is just lurking, and bad for everyone. I'm currently trying not to replace out, but it's getting hard to find the time to post. I do check out the forums every now and then, but actually making a post takes time, time which I don't have.

Claim:
Hide
Miller

Yes, my role is minimalistic, but I wanted something that would allow me to survive the nights in a power-heavy game while also being unusual.

If this didn't take a lot of time: Why did you only claim now?

PPE: Aw fish. Year's end means 9 months away.

PPE²: Twould be funny if the converter santa'd it out...but that would require a -6 point calibration.

Also I'd like it if you mentioned the origin rather than the result sheet that doesn't say what targeted what.

I'm a Magnetic Miller Prolific Santa. I targeted Jack A T and Leafsnail. I didn't care too much who I targeted since the whole point of this build is to get powers for myself, but my reads on them were town.

So...how do you gain powers when you have nothing to give?

[Jim Groovester]

Magnetic Santa has a 50% chance of targeting myself with my gift-giving power.

[Tiruin]

... >______>
I misread that as giving a power that is owned.
...Blargh.
Timecount, by the way?

[mastahcheese]

Ok, yeah.
I agree with 4mask's idea of lynching Jack, that it would provide us with information, but Tawarochir is obviously lying his face off, now.

I even dug it up for you.

Two, I missed Tiruin claiming to send a power to LS.

Directly contradicts this.

I'm a Magnetic Miller Prolific Santa. I targeted Jack A T and Leafsnail. I didn't care too much who I targeted since the whole point of this build is to get powers for myself, but my reads on them were town. Sadly they both received my gifts in the night and I got nothing.
-snip-

Oooohhhhh, that claim.
I took Santa, Magnetic, and Bloodthirsty.
So, um, yeah.
...That's all I have to say right now, so BYE

You commented on the fact that you saw Jim post his claim of being a santa.
You knew that there were only 2 santas in the game, because it's been mentioned like 40 times now, and you claimed the other.
You knew damn well that Tiruin did not have it, and Jim made the comment right there that he targeted Leafsnail.

[Leafsnail]

I will answer this after I...see what just happened.

As in, really. Wat.

What do you mean by "what" and why does your explanation need to come after it?

[Tiruin]

Now that i've clearned my head (just woke up and argh. My head.) I notice that everyone claimed.

*sigh*

Well, I took the Immune to Night Kills (and was seriously hoping that someone else would claim it) I mean the hint is clearly obvious here on what I'd do with 5 points despite being dense.

But anyways. Yeah.


Tawarochir. I have no idea if you're just making up stuff parallel to the status quo you're seeing or...just really scatter-brained in the recent time. The wording. The tone. The amount of content delivered...does not help at all.

Why are you misusing names (well, following TDS anyways) or pretty much saying things that aren't true?

PPE: Bluh. That.
I mean wat because...I just read everything after my post and that was my first reaction to it. Also, TDS' comment.
He...I don't get how he messed up with putting my name there (unless it was a tactical ploy or whatever) and Tawa followed it up.

It...needs(?) to come after it because I thought that there were still claims needed to come. In which waking up after a long period of dreams somehow messes with cognition in the first minutes.

[Jim Groovester]

So you took:

Protect
Free on Protect
Inflate
Night Kill Immune
Miller
Blatant
Dense
Magnetic

Does this build not make sense to anyone else? Why take magnetic with protect when you already have Night Kill Immune? Why not take Unable to Vote instead so your protects always succeed? Why take inflate at all?

This build and this claim are fishy.

[Tiruin]

I took those flaws just for the bonus to points. >_>
...
In hindsight, the NKI gives a 100% bonus to the protect, even if Magnetic.
^{And I really didn't think Magnetic through, First thought: Bonus points, instead of efficiency.
Also should've shifted free- to day-. Yay fail build.}

Anyway.

Does this build not make sense to anyone else? Why take magnetic with protect when you already have Night Kill Immune? Why not take Unable to Vote instead so your protects always succeed? Why take inflate at all?

This build and this claim are fishy.

...So what did you expect when I first claimed and why ask only now?
I took Inflate because I had no idea what to do with that 1 last point. :I
And no--I didn't take Unable to Vote due to voting being a great weapon in scumhunting--that, and I've never played not being unable to vote, so I found the idea not to my liking.

[Jim Groovester]

I've been thinking, "Hey, this shit's fishy," for a while now, because there's no way you didn't spend those 5 points at the beginning of the game.

But now I see you've taken a build with redundant elements, which also makes me think, "Hey, this shit's fishy."

I took Inflate because I had no idea what to do with that 1 last point. :I

Why not take less flaws instead?

[Jim Groovester]

Or even better, why not one of the one point autos?

[Tiruin]

I took Inflate because I had no idea what to do with that 1 last point. :I

Why not take less flaws instead?

Because I wanted to go after the concept of being a total Protector compared to anything (in which I took the flaws which gave me more of a bonus, regardless of their efficiency...as in, not not taking the non-vote flaw)--if scum wanted me gone, then they'd have to expend a daykill or lynch on me for that matter, or convert me or changeling//recycle.

Why I didn't claim such was to...well, thoughtfully check the claimants and probably wish that someone would waste a sap on me. Yeah, not that thought out, but still. >.>

Or even better, why not one of the one point autos?

...I didn't see any practical use in not being redirected and all the other autos available? If I would be tracked, then there's blatant to see it. If I would be redirected-hey, all the better for that person and such and such.
On the Bloodthirsty/Thrill--those are against my playstyle. I use the power of the vote on a psychological basis and...changing my playstyle for a point? Seems inefficient. Add that to the note of +1 pt per day?
Didn't seem that useful.
Or Innocent? I fail to see why I would get that when I could spend the 1 point, and another (=2) from miller on something more beneficial, like the free-protect so I could protect others during the night (in which it now seems Inflating things is useless).

[Tawa]

@Tawarochir: What the fuck?  Why would you lie about something like that?

Tawa claims that she Santa'd a power to LS. LS claims that he only got one power, but not two (Tiruin sent the other). They can't both be true unless I'm missing something.

What?  No.  Jim is the other person claiming to have sent my power.

Whoops, I was sleepy. I was voting for neither of you.

I'm voting for Leafsnail

Why?  Your reasoning that I "might have a convert" is dumb.  mastahcheese confirmed that I had 8 points today.

Leafsnail, what the heck? Why do you assume I'm the lying one?

A few things to say about these results:
All bloodthirsty's have been claimed, and this is without taking objective's claim into account.
There are two hardcore's and one dense unclaimed.
Protect, convert, and align cop unclaimed
clear minded, innocent, and immune to night kills claimed.
I'll get up more stuff later.

Who claimed ItNK?

PFP

Tawa claims that she Santa'd a power to LS. LS claims that he only got one power, but not two (Tiruin sent the other). They can't both be true unless I'm missing something.

Aaahhhh, I see. Thanks for the clarification.

Two things:

One, I'm a dude.

Two, I missed Tiruin claiming to send a power to LS.

wut.
I didn't send anything to LS.

That explains why I missed it.

TDS, care to explain yourself?

Ok, yeah.
I agree with 4mask's idea of lynching Jack, that it would provide us with information, but Tawarochir is obviously lying his face off, now.

I even dug it up for you.

Two, I missed Tiruin claiming to send a power to LS.

Directly contradicts this.

I'm a Magnetic Miller Prolific Santa. I targeted Jack A T and Leafsnail. I didn't care too much who I targeted since the whole point of this build is to get powers for myself, but my reads on them were town. Sadly they both received my gifts in the night and I got nothing.
-snip-

Oooohhhhh, that claim.
I took Santa, Magnetic, and Bloodthirsty.
So, um, yeah.
...That's all I have to say right now, so BYE

You commented on the fact that you saw Jim post his claim of being a santa.
You knew that there were only 2 santas in the game, because it's been mentioned like 40 times now, and you claimed the other.
You knew damn well that Tiruin did not have it, and Jim made the comment right there that he targeted Leafsnail.

Wat

Shoot, man, I suck at this. I'd ask to be replaced, but we already have deathsword leaving.

Erm, I have no more to say.

[Silthuri]

Please forgive me for simply skimming through all of the madness, but I'm afraid I have neither the time nor the patience. And on that note, request replacement.

Leafsnail:
How very creative. You start shoving accusations off on me. Suddenly I'm the converter. Because I know you're scum. What argument do you have against me aside from the fact that I'm "obviously lying" due to your bullshit point claim? There's more than one way to spend an exact amount of points.

You want to know why I waited to claim? I didn't want to just claim. I wanted to dig up dirt on you to prove you're scum with more than just a claim as cop. When I read about the mass claim, I figured I should claim, lest the scum claim before me.

[4maskwolf]

Here are the claims I have seen.  Now includes updated lists and the number of points a given player had available to them at the start of the night.

Spoiler: Jim Groovester (click to show/hide)

Santa
Prolific
Miller
Magnetic
1 point left at night one start

Spoiler: Tiruin (click to show/hide)

Protect
Free on Protect
Immune to Night Kills
Inflate
Miller
Magnetic
Blatant
Dense
0 points left at night one start

Spoiler: mastahcheese (click to show/hide)

Scan
Sap
Day on Scan
Day on Sap
Free on Scan
Free on Sap
Miller
Hardcore
Unable to Vote
1 point left at night one start

Spoiler: Tack (click to show/hide)

Infallible alignment Cop*
Blatant
1 point left at night one start, confirmed as the proper number.
*Recycled, sapped by Leafsnail

Spoiler: NativeForeigner (click to show/hide)

Fortune Teller
Bloodthirsty
1 point left at night one start

Spoiler: Leafsnail (click to show/hide)

Sap
Day on Sap
Recycle
Hardcore
Miller

Unclaimed Santa Gift
1 point left at night one start

Spoiler: Jack A T (click to show/hide)

Flavour Inspect
Day on Flavour Inspect
Bloodthirsty
Count
Miller
Blatant

Unclaimed Santa Gift

2 points left at night 1 start

Spoiler: TheDarkStar (click to show/hide)

Originally:
Changeling
Mercenary
Miller
Dense
Hardcore

Currently:
Protect
Sap
Innocent
5 points left at night one start, 4 at end

Spoiler: Objective (click to show/hide)

Originally:
Protect
Sap
Bloodthirsty

Currently:
Changeling
Hardcore
Dense
Mercenary
1 point left at night one start

Spoiler: 4maskwolf (click to show/hide)

Kill
Miller
Blatant
Unable to Vote
Clearminded
Unstoppable
1 point left at night one start

Spoiler: MyOwnWorstEnemy (click to show/hide)

Infallible Alignment Cop
0 points left at night one start

Spoiler: Deathsword (click to show/hide)

Miller
Hide
1 point left at night 1 start

Spoiler: Tawarochir (click to show/hide)

Santa
Magnetic
Bloodthirsty
4 points left at night 1 start

Spoiler: Fortune Teller Results (click to show/hide)

POWERS
Changeling
Convert
Count
Flavour Inspect
Fortune Teller
Hide
Inflate
Infallible Alignment Cop
Infallible Alignment Cop
Kill
Protect
Protect
Protect
Recycle
Santa
Santa
Sap
Sap
Sap
Scan

AUTOS
Bloodthirsty
Bloodthirsty
Bloodthirsty
Clear Minded
Clear Minded
Day
Day
Day
Day
Free
Free
Free
Immune to Night Kills
Innocent
Innocent
Prolific
Unstoppable

FLAWS
Blatant
Blatant
Blatant
Blatant
Dense
Dense
Dense
Hardcore
Hardcore
Hardcore
Hardcore
Magnetic
Magnetic
Magnetic
Mercenary
Miller
Miller
Miller
Miller
Miller
Miller
Unable to vote
Unable to vote

A few things to say about these results:
All bloodthirsty's have been claimed, and this is without taking objective's claim into account.
There are two hardcore's and one dense unclaimed.
Protect, convert, and align cop unclaimed
clear minded and innocent are unclaimed.
I'll get up more stuff later.
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