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Author Topic: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN VICTORY!  (Read 97442 times)

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Re: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - Day 2 - An Abundance of Life
« Reply #270 on: March 26, 2014, 11:00:15 pm »

Also I'm not at all convinced that the flavour inspections "clears" you.  Firstly because it's pretty vague, and secondly because Jack AT could easily be scum or converted.  The fact that you're trying to use it as absolute proof of your innocence is suspicious too.
And seriously Leafsnail. If you criticize others, back it up with an explanation because blank words are just crap to read.

Now here? Do you know what a flavor inspect does? It is pretty vague. But does it say if he's really malevolent or not?
Next is that existence of the convert. IT EXISTS. IT CAN BE USED ONCE PER DAY/NIGHT.
We're fighting a CULT that can SAP and RECYCLE at DAY.

What is your insight on that?
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Re: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - Day 2 - An Abundance of Life
« Reply #271 on: March 26, 2014, 11:03:58 pm »

If I may point out, a Day Convert would cost sixteen points, so unless the scum team all pitched in (which would require powers to do so, and exclude the possibility of the recycle/sap, so I really doubt it) then we're at least only dealing with a night convert.
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Re: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - Day 2 - An Abundance of Life
« Reply #272 on: March 26, 2014, 11:06:55 pm »

Thanks for pointing that out.
._.
Wait why would 6 people be lying?  I guess the mafia could have 5 members.
wut.

...

Ok, redact my earlier note on the miller/innocent thing. Just read Fortune Teller.

NQT: Does Fortune Teller update per day and per night or only tells what exists at game start?
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Re: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - Day 2 - An Abundance of Life
« Reply #273 on: March 26, 2014, 11:07:50 pm »

Also I'm not at all convinced that the flavour inspections "clears" you.  Firstly because it's pretty vague, and secondly because Jack AT could easily be scum or converted.  The fact that you're trying to use it as absolute proof of your innocence is suspicious too.
And seriously Leafsnail. If you criticize others, back it up with an explanation because blank words are just crap to read.

Now here? Do you know what a flavor inspect does? It is pretty vague. But does it say if he's really malevolent or not?
Next is that existence of the convert. IT EXISTS. IT CAN BE USED ONCE PER DAY/NIGHT.
We're fighting a CULT that can SAP and RECYCLE at DAY.

What is your insight on that?

My insight on that is that we are all dead or converts pretty quickly.

Currently: 9 town versus 4 scum
If we mislynch:
tomorrow, assuming my kill gets recycle-screwed: 7 town v five scum.
At which point it is lylo for town, because of the convert.

Also, I think I just realized something.  That changeling?  I'm pretty sure it's a day changeling.  that the scum are using to back-up the main in case the main is in danger of lynch.

Here's my logic: we know the recycle day-sap combo, we know that the scum has convert.  But if the converter dies there, then the scumteam may be in a bad spot, particularly if the recycler is roleblocked/dies early too.  So the changeling is to create a metaphorical backup drive for the power-roles in case of lynch.

Just food for thought.

Also, cheese: 14 points, bud.  What is up with your math today.

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Re: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - Day 2 - An Abundance of Life
« Reply #274 on: March 26, 2014, 11:12:53 pm »

NQT: Can powers be bought and cashed in in any order, or do you have to cash in then buy?  Also, what happens when you cash in a one-point power or auto?

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Re: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - Day 2 - An Abundance of Life
« Reply #275 on: March 26, 2014, 11:13:44 pm »

Also, cheese: 14 points, bud.  What is up with your math today.
I could have sworn that convert was an 8 pointer. God what is with me today?
Thank you again for that.
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Re: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - Day 2 - An Abundance of Life
« Reply #276 on: March 26, 2014, 11:17:26 pm »

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Any chance that the Innocents are doublebluffs bought yesterday?
I just have a hard time seeing any townies as being stupid enough to lie about being a miller.

So 4 out of 9 could mean they converted another miller last night, who then would've dropped their 'miller' tag, as fortune teller is last on the order of operations.

I don't really understand what 'Free' does - But that means that mastah, making the assumption that he's town, could pick two randoms from the miller list and scan them, with a 2/9 chance of hitting the person who sapped me?
And if I'm taking the assumption that the other two saps belong to scum, then I guess we're on the right track.

So by that logic, unless one of the previous claimants was lying and an EXTREMELY good guess (+ 4maskwolf, getting ahead of the game on this one):
out of Jim Groovestar, Deathsword, TheDarkStar, Leafsnail, Tawarochir, Myownworstenemy
1 Has Infal Allignment cop (-6)
1 Has Hide (-6)

Leaving a possible scumteam of:
1. Recycle (-3), Day Sap (-2)
2. Convert (-6)
3. Prolific Santa (-4) (Magnetic)


Jim Groovestar has been talking a bunch since he started, and I want to target the quiet ones.
Tawarochir seems far too inexperienced to be scum- I feel like they'd be telling him to STFU over PM (and yes they could tell him to play VI, but no WIFOM please)

Leaving my current 'big three': Deathsword, The Dark Star and Leafsnail.

mastah, would you mind scanning any two of them?
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Re: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - Day 2 - An Abundance of Life
« Reply #277 on: March 26, 2014, 11:18:22 pm »

Oh, and 4maskwolf, as he made his claim immediately after the fortuneteller 'laid it all bare'.
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Re: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - Day 2 - An Abundance of Life
« Reply #278 on: March 26, 2014, 11:20:10 pm »

I claimed before, actually, I decided on a full reveal afterwards.  But feel free to scan me, I won't object.

*growls* Convert costs 7, not 6.

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Re: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - Day 2 - An Abundance of Life
« Reply #279 on: March 26, 2014, 11:21:31 pm »

Leaving my current 'big three': Deathsword, The Dark Star and Leafsnail.

mastah, would you mind scanning any two of them?
Yes, I'll do that.
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Re: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - Day 2 - An Abundance of Life
« Reply #280 on: March 26, 2014, 11:24:34 pm »

@4mask: We know that the recycle is a day power but-... (...can a day power be a free power too? NQT: If a power is both day- and free-, what does the free- do?)

Also I'm not at all convinced that the flavour inspections "clears" you.  Firstly because it's pretty vague, and secondly because Jack AT could easily be scum or converted.  The fact that you're trying to use it as absolute proof of your innocence is suspicious too.
And seriously Leafsnail. If you criticize others, back it up with an explanation because blank words are just crap to read.

Now here? Do you know what a flavor inspect does? It is pretty vague. But does it say if he's really malevolent or not?
Next is that existence of the convert. IT EXISTS. IT CAN BE USED ONCE PER DAY/NIGHT.
We're fighting a CULT that can SAP and RECYCLE at DAY.

What is your insight on that?

My insight on that is that we are all dead or converts pretty quickly.

Currently: 9 town versus 4 scum
If we mislynch:
tomorrow, assuming my kill gets recycle-screwed: 7 town v five scum.
At which point it is lylo for town, because of the convert.

Also, I think I just realized something.  That changeling?  I'm pretty sure it's a day changeling.  that the scum are using to back-up the main in case the main is in danger of lynch.

Here's my logic: we know the recycle day-sap combo, we know that the scum has convert.  But if the converter dies there, then the scumteam may be in a bad spot, particularly if the recycler is roleblocked/dies early too.  So the changeling is to create a metaphorical backup drive for the power-roles in case of lynch.

Just food for thought.

Also, cheese: 14 points, bud.  What is up with your math today.
Of note: It isn't that bad, really-we have at most until D4 or so given the context--what we stand to lose are only powers in the most reasonable idea, and...well. Frickin' cult.

NQT: Does whoever hold the Convert power also have the...power like the cult leader thing? If the Convert-holder dies, all converts die?

PPE: Hum. Tack.

My Fullclaim (because I do believe I'm useless either way unless protecting against that dang kill. I also have a role name because I asked NQT. :P):
Powers:
-2 Protect
-1 Inflate

Autos:
-2 Free Protect

Flaws:
+1 Miller
+2 Magnetic
+1 Blatant
+1 Dense
Why, yes I've a 5 point bank to draw on because I'm amorphous.

PPE: Scan me, and discover what I have :D
Hint: Don't. It's pretty obvious what I have judging by NF's list if you put a bit of thought into it.

Also hey, I'm quiet!...ish.
And Objective is playing. Why isn't Objective there, Tack?
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Re: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - Day 2 - An Abundance of Life
« Reply #281 on: March 26, 2014, 11:26:48 pm »

...Because really. Sap and Recycle? If we're to fix this up-then the best note I've got is the massclaim. It doesn't help scum in anyway given the amount of malevolent powers compared to positive ones (and 3 protects as opposed to one kill--supposing that the Free powers do not poke at either Recycle or Kill [in which that's one darn expensive kill.]).
How does the massclaim help anything?  You assert that it won't help mafia, but I couldn't disagree more.   For instance, let's say an Infallible Alignment Cop claims.  The mafia can now easily neutralize them with a recycle or a conversion.

Compare that with 2 choices for Innocent (WITH INNOCENT NOT BEING A pre-game-start-choice!), I'd fathom that either scum claimed miller D1 and bought it off (2 points, wow.) then switched to innocent, that they went for a low-point buy early in game with aims onto the convert/saboteur theory above.
Scum can't get miller, it is a town only ability.

Anyways: Leafsnail: Could I get your whole opinion on me? Are you still curious about me? Because I take it that you're more rather a concrete thinker and like putting things as they are instead of checking them out as passing ideas.
I think you are scum.  You made an error yesterday by claiming an impossible result, and you've spent today panicking and trying to cover it up.

I did not say that he was explicitly town, I said he was explicitly innocent.
>_>
Oh.  Well that is a pedantic non-point and it doesn't deserve a response.

In which Leafsnail takes everything at face value and does not bother to think about it-labeling it thusly as malevolent instead of questioning it thoroughly.
PS:
I never said I was doing anything against the 'town', which you do love explicitly mentioning, but that part of the damn intent, in that scenario upon reflection, was that it would look like an investigate result via the note of the whole post!
"Upon reflection"?  Did you want to make it look like an inspect at the time or not?  This is the core contradiction here.

Also note that, if it was meant to look like an inspection result, yes, you were trying to be misleading.  Again this wouldn't be a problem if you had a clear explanation for what you were doing.

Problem being: Hey look I'm Blatant let's make this look like an investigate oh let's not say what the repercussions of that are and instead debate on this tangent instead!

You never say what the reason behind the argument you put there led to. You put the label of misleading and drifted from there.
That is where I see you contradict me. In making something look bigger than it is, or making a trivial part of the argument into the main focus.
Lying and then failing to explain why is a major contradiction.  Yes, I'm aware your blatantness means you couldn't have made an inspection day one.  But I think you forgot about that or didn't realize that blatant triggered for day actions too, and only realized your mistake after Jack AT's result was displayed.  Alternatively you were always planning to back down and smugly go "Nuh uh, I wasn't implying anything!  I can't be blamed if you make simple logical inferences and mislead yourselves!"



... >_>
Oh how smart of you. Like I'd forget that I took Blatant. Why, yes Leafsnail! I only now realized that it would be impossible! :O
OMG!
Can you fix your logical processor, please? You imply a wrong where there is no wrong, however I do take note that you aren't capitalizing on it.
You could easily have misunderstood the way blatant worked too - possibly thinking it only worked at night.  In any case there is still a major contradiction in your actions which you haven't addressed.
Oh wow! You did notice it! You noticed I said 'part'! And 'I guess'!
That you're falling back on the vagueness of "I guess" just baffles me even more!  How can you be unsure as to your own motivations?

Ah, right-I do admit this is my fault, however I do stand on the ground that I did not think of that as the foremost thought when I posted it. I posted that as a quickpost from the ideas on my notes. That PLuke was innocent compared to what allegations were leveled against him (oh and his posts >_>)
That was not at the foremost of your mind, but also at the same time you "guess part of that [your] intent was to make it look like an inspect result".  How do I reconcile these ideas?  Are you claiming to have Dissociative Identity Disorder?  Are you saying you go into some kind of trance when making your posts?  Help me out here.

...Because I did not think of it as a gambit?
I do daresay that you totally missed the note in parenthesis after that.
Yes that was the part where you contradicted yourself and confused me.

And what about that inflate thing? I'm mentioning my power.
You mentioned it and then lied about your use of it.

Aye, but that costs them - from the perspective of numbers as paranoia - one point against the alignment cop possibility. Said cop could also pick at his/her discretion on the matter in which it doesn't make the scenario wholly worthless.
That isn't remotely worth spending 5 points on though.

...Ah, now that makes more sense. If near day end-pile all votes on the lynched.

However what if the scenario presents itself that the people are divided on the matter? Wouldn't that be an incentive towards...insane (lacking holistic) thinking?
I guess, but I don't think it's a major issue if everyone makes a clear decision at the end of the day.  The town doesn't make better decisions if all its votes are spead out (I'd say it makes worse decisions due to mafia having more influence).

Why would that "explain" my earlier behavior?
Any consistent string of thought processes.  Even "Oh shit, I messed up by making that post, oops" or "There was nothing wrong with that post, go away".  But the thing is you haven't given me that.  You've given me multiple explanations that don't match up with each other.

Though I quite do like how you somehow got what I'm thinking before I even proposed a massclaim.

Hello? That's me thinking out loud! Why're you flanderizing me there? "Whoever said Tiruin vouches for LET'S ALL CLAIM? HELLO?1"
I don't see why you'd claim if you weren't trying to encourage a massclaim.
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Re: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - Day 2 - An Abundance of Life
« Reply #282 on: March 26, 2014, 11:27:39 pm »

And Tiruin: you canmt even protect from my kill because unstoppable  :D

Also, the recycle was night, the  sap was day.

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Re: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - Day 2 - An Abundance of Life
« Reply #283 on: March 26, 2014, 11:27:54 pm »

Because on its own, the question is useless. It isn't until there's a way to confirm how many milers there are that it becomes useful.
I was actually waiting on you to say whether you were miller or not so that I could fill the list (full list = no takebacks = solid 'deck').
And then use the incipient threat of a fortune teller to provoke a massclaim.
You turning out to be the last to respond AND the fortune teller was not a lucky break.

So sure, you fucked up my strategy, but the fact that you arrived at a similar point to me gives me some hope.
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Re: Choose-Your-Own-Mafia - Day 2 - An Abundance of Life
« Reply #284 on: March 26, 2014, 11:28:01 pm »

@4mask: We know that the recycle is a day power but-... (...can a day power be a free power too? NQT: If a power is both day- and free-, what does the free- do?)
Yes, I have it.

A Free Day power means that you can use it during the day, and the first use is free.

For example, with my Free Day Scan, and Free Day Sap, I can do all of the following:
1 Day Scan
1 Day Sap
and my choice of either a second Scan or Sap.
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