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[Girlinhat]

Concessions are like deeds.  If you have one for that area, you can establish your camp as a semi-permanent hold that you alone can access.  With this, you can install your own equipment better than that found in towns, and more easily access a wider variety of resources.  It becomes like your personal town, where you can have a forge, workbench, mine, inn, etc.  Since the camp tools are constructed by players, they follow similar power options, so imagine what you could accomplish with a 40 strength forge.

There's been talk about the guild, but it's expensive.  Namely, it costs 15 gold to open 5 member slots, and then ENORMOUS effort of construction to raise the cap or construct anything.  I'd personally be willing to dump nearly all of my player effort into guild construction and bettering, but it's a hefty investment and is slow to pay off, really meant for you to become an experienced member before even being a member of a guild.

Once we have some personal sway, it'll prove a good way to concentrate our efforts and better corner the market, but right now a big deal is simply raising your own skills and your private camps.  The faster we can level up and start making money, the faster we'll be working towards a guild.  So for right this moment, the best way to help the group is to exchange tools and resources and make sure everyone is advancing as quickly as possible.

[Seriyu]

Okay so this thread is massive and I forgot where it got brought up - how do I house, and what benefits does it provide

I'm dumb

[Tnx]

The post right above yours answers it Seriyu.

[Sappho]

I've got a concession, finally. Haven't built anything yet, though. If I want to make a machine for flora, how do I go about doing that? I know it requires an engineer, but what parts and such?

[Tnx]

There's a machine for flora?  Someone on global chat told me Fauna and Flora have no buildings so concession location doesn't matter.

[Sappho]

Oh really? Damn. I was hoping for some kind of potion-making station.

[etgfrog]

there is a simple herbalism station in hawkoria, merchant quarter, lavia tools, the guy on the left, gives 16 herbalism and 11 concoction strength.

The slightly bigger challenge, making the workshop, you need 2 framework and a roofing, sewing and lumber could provide the roofing, then framework is from lumber and stone.

[Viken]

I'm about to start working on making 12 Regular Bronze Sieves for sale, unless anyone knows what could bring in even more money with 14 Foundrywork and about 12 Forging.  I'm tired of being bloody broke in the game. 

[etgfrog]

I'm about to start working on making 12 Regular Bronze Sieves for sale, unless anyone knows what could bring in even more money with 14 Foundrywork and about 12 Forging.  I'm tired of being bloody broke in the game. 

get armor and a 12ish strength weapon then go into ratkin lair, the real money in metal comes later when you can forge very strong things...which btw...regular bronze sieves...is essentially vendor trash, copper sieves are 14 which you should be making higher quality ones which is actually worth something, specifically a superior copper sieve is 18 prospecting.

[Viken]

I wasn't talking about things to trade to other people for coins, although that's always an option if someone can suggest something I can do.  I was refering to something I can sell to the NPC vendors.  The regular bronze sieve is actually worth more, even though its more than worthless as sieve material.

As for fighting... I have a bronze sword I made, but I lack any sort of armor, and not even the Big Guy companion.  I've been shying away from combat, sadly.

[Sappho]

If you want to make money as a metalworker, I'd recommend just grinding out chisels and blades and selling them to players. There's a constant shortage.

[Sirian]

I have had quite a bit of luck with making blades and chisels, high quality copper and bronze chisels can be sold at the auction quickly, and you can make something like a gold coin per day with it I'd say.

Right now though, I'm focusing on making weapons with tin at the limit of my skill, it gives me new recipes and skills up all the time. The new recipes then in turn give me more options to make stuff at the limit of my skill. It's really win/win. The tin is from purchased ingots by the way.

[Viken]

That's true, Sappho. But at the same time neither blades or chisels allow any sort of leveling, either.  At this point I'm definitely stuck between a rock and a hard place.  I don't have enough money in-game to get enough Mountain stat to start prospecting for lodestone, which is required in order to get to the higher metals.  I also don't have enough skill levels in order to get the higher ranks of Bronze crafting, either.  I have 14.3 right now, and most of them take 16+.

[Sirian]

That's true, Sappho. But at the same time neither blades or chisels allow any sort of leveling, either.  At this point I'm definitely stuck between a rock and a hard place.  I don't have enough money in-game to get enough Mountain stat to start prospecting for lodestone, which is required in order to get to the higher metals.  I also don't have enough skill levels in order to get the higher ranks of Bronze crafting, either.  I have 14.3 right now, and most of them take 16+.

As I said above, try fiddling with quality options on tin weapons (some are cast and some are forged so you can train 2 skills this way). I typically have between 50 and 80% chance of skill up with this technique. You can also train your mountain skill by exploring or prospecting in the silver mountains in the north. Right now I'm at 19 forging skill and rising, all with tin. Ingots can be purchased from vendors and you can use firewood as fuel too. You can then sell the weapons to npcs for a markup.

If you don't have enough weapon recipes, try getting the cheapest ones in Hawkoria. You'll find that more recipes allow you to train much better.

[Sappho]

It might be tough to both skill and gain money, but if you focus on just one or the other, you'll probably make more rapid progress. As in, spend a day or two just grinding blades and chisels and selling them for cash. Then you can use the cash to upgrade your skills, and open up new ways of leveling your craft.