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[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

Just a few weeks ago my teems speech team season ended and I was doing humerus duets, beside the point.
In the duet we did a mock debate and it was over whether or not donuts need holes to be classified as donuts.
I was just wondering what other people thought of this topic

[kaijyuu]

Hell no. Ever seen a jelly filled donut?

[Criptfeind]

It depends on where you live. Around here the answer would be "Sometimes" and sometimes it would be called a bismark or a long john. On the other hand I've never heard of a round shaped 'doughnut' with no hole and nothing inside of it. (Although long johns with nothing inside are common) If those, the so called missing link between doughnut and jelly doughnut existed, I dunno what that would be. But since they don't I would actually be fine answering this with a no and saying a jelly doughnut is not a doughnut.

[Frumple]

As kaij notes. There's plenty of different sorts of donuts that lack holes. The world of donuts is wide and wonderful.

[GlyphGryph]

On the other hand I've never heard of a round shaped 'doughnut' with no hole and nothing inside of it.

These are... pretty common here, actually.

Especially for mini-donuts (donut holes) which are still totally donuts. Cruller are donuts that are something entirely different as well.

But generally, since donut shops sell all donuts for the same price and people accept holes in their donuts and the ring donuts are actually a bit easier to make, they will tend to stock a lot more of that type and sell them preferentially.

[Criptfeind]

Especially for mini-donuts (donut holes) which are still totally donuts.

Wow. We can't be friends anymore.

[Yoink]

Yes. All those weird jam ones don't count. They're just a foul mash of doughy pastries to me.

[Neonivek]

It depends

But in some areas really the only requirement is that it needs to be fried doh and thus things like Chiros are often included.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

So we have
NO- because there are jelly filled 'donuts'

YES- because jelly filled 'donuts' and other impostors don't actually count as donuts

and lastly

Donuts holes which now do or don't count as donuts (in my personal opinion donut holes don't count)

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

i understand i excluded other information

[GlyphGryph]

Jelly and jam are different things. Jam donuts are generally better, personally, but jelly donuts are still more common over here. I have both in my fridge right now (not in donuts), and sometimes I prefer one, sometimes the other.

Or are you saying the Brits don't bother to engage in precision with their language and we should endeavour to follow them? Because... that doesn't seem attractive, as an idea?

[Criptfeind]

Can we at least agree that custard doughnuts are terrible though?

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

I am about to derail my thread and i honestly don't care

Didn't america change how they speak English specifically so they sound/spell different from the British?

[GlyphGryph]

Actually, the British changed how the language sounded and spelled - American (New England variant) is actually closer to traditional English than modern British is!

Also, custard/creme donuts can be okay.

But they are nothing compared to the pure delicious of lemon-like-gel-substance-filled donuts. Mmmmm....

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

I am going to have to have a long talk with my English teacher then