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[ToonyMan]

Hahaha, Day 1 of Kingmaker 4 is still hilarious. I love Jim's and Leafsnail's posts in that.

[ToonyMan]

Gnosia came out on Vita in 2019 and got a Switch port earlier this year. It's only in Japanese but I definitely want to try when it eventually gets translated...

...
*One week later*

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1338903062690353156

I swear I'm not psychic. I'll post my thoughts about it once I get my hands on it next year.

[Jim Groovester]

Hahaha, Day 1 of Kingmaker 4 is still hilarious. I love Jim's and Leafsnail's posts in that.

I read that game and a bunch of other ones recently. I had forgotten how mad that game made me. I think it precipitated me getting more involved in the Beginner's Mafias, and browsing through BM XXI, yes it did.

Is this the revival of mafia?

EDIT:
Also, another game recommendation for mafia fans:
Your Turn To Die

Not complete but what's there is really good.

This was quite enjoyable. Thank you for the recommendation.

[ToonyMan]

Your Turn To Die
Not complete but what's there is really good.

This was quite enjoyable. Thank you for the recommendation.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to the rest of Chapter 3.

Possible Game Idea (I've made some adjustments from the actual main game):

Spoiler: Your Turn To Die Mafia (click to show/hide)

There are no mafia.
There is no "town", dying results in a lose.
There are no nights.

Roles:
1 Keymaster, everyone loses if they are lynched
1 Sage, knows who the Keymaster is
1 Sacrifice, has two votes, wins if they are lynched, dies otherwise
? Commoner, no ability

Game Flow:
Day 1 starts with a Keymaster, Sage, and Sacrifice being randomly assigned to the living players. Everyone else are Commoners.
Discussion phase starts, nobody votes during this phase.
After some time the voting phase starts, each player will PM the mod who they will vote. The sacrifice gets two votes, you are allowed to vote yourself.
After all votes are submitted the mod reveals the vote count. The player with the majority of votes will be lynched. In the event of a tie, a second voting phase will start with the tied players being the only valid vote targets. This continues until somebody is lynched. There are no no-lynches.
If the Keymaster is lynched then everyone dies (and loses).
If the Sacrifice is lynched then they win and everyone else loses (I'm unsure if I should let them pick another player to win alongside them...maybe...).
If a Sage or Commoner is lynched then they die and lose. Also the Sacrifice will die and lose.
The Day ends after this, if there are still living players then the game continues.
On Day 2 new roles are randomly assigned to the remaining living players, same as the start of Day 1.
Repeat until everyone has won or lost.

Not sure what to do when there's 4 or less living players, maybe let them all get the win for surviving until the end?

[IcyTea31]

Interesting. I'd expect everyone to claim keymaster or sacrifice immediately, since the only way to win (without that "final four" rule) is to lynch a non-sacrifice, non-keymaster and hope you become the sacrifice the next day. It's like a reverse King of the Mafia. Jester of the Mafia?

[webadict]

Interesting. I'd expect everyone to claim keymaster or sacrifice immediately, since the only way to win (without that "final four" rule) is to lynch a non-sacrifice, non-keymaster and hope you become the sacrifice the next day. It's like a reverse King of the Mafia. Jester of the Mafia?

But doesn't that mean that claiming neither of those is also a valid method to get lynched as the Sacrifice? There's a bit of play here, but it seems like a Mountainous with a bit of a twist.

The issue I see is that the Sacrifice is favored to win on Day 1 by virtue of have two votes to use on themselves, and everyone else is more or less equally spreading votes.

To avoid that, people need to do 2 weird things.
ALL players need to pretend to be the Sage and "claim" a Keymaster. From those that aren't chosen during that, they need to try and determine a non-Sacrifice. It's like a weird reversal on Mafia.

The other problem is that the game is about playing to not lose, even as the Sacrifice. There needs to be a wincon for players to accomplish at the same time, or the optimal strategy is... lurking!

[Toaster]

Hello everyone!  I'm back from my long break from the DF forums in general, I guess.  I had pretty much run out of some combination of time/enthusiasm to post, but Wuba convinced me to get in on BYOR15.  (I had missed the PMs about Bastanormal 3; whoopsie!)

Life for me is mostly the same, except for the Obvious Reasons going around now.  Get your vaccine as soon as it's offered to whatever group of people you're in. (healthcare, old person, general public, what have you.)

[webadict]

Life for me is mostly the same, except for the Obvious Reasons going around now.  Get your vaccine as soon as it's offered to whatever group of people you're in. (healthcare, old person, general public, what have you.)

Agreed. My friend is a nurse, and so is my sister, and they've had to work with generally shitty situations this year. Kinda depressing what they've had to deal with, and luckily neither of them haven't gotten Covid yet. Get your flu shot, too, if you're able to. ...I should probably schedule mine.

[IcyTea31]

But doesn't that mean that claiming neither of those is also a valid method to get lynched as the Sacrifice? There's a bit of play here, but it seems like a Mountainous with a bit of a twist.

Perhaps, but if you make yourself look like you don't want to self-preserve, people will peg you as the sacrifice...which would actually be beneficial for a non-sacrifice.

I wouldn't compare it to mountainous, when the primary antagonist is a jester-equivalent.

The issue I see is that the Sacrifice is favored to win on Day 1 by virtue of have two votes to use on themselves, and everyone else is more or less equally spreading votes.

Huh, I misread and inserted a "not" in being allowed to self-vote. Why would the sacrifice vote for anyone but themselves, when they die anyway at the end of the day and have no teammates that would benefit from the deception?

ALL players need to pretend to be the Sage and "claim" a Keymaster. From those that aren't chosen during that, they need to try and determine a non-Sacrifice. It's like a weird reversal on Mafia.

But how does one decide whom to claim as the keymaster? The best strategy for that play would be to claim sage and claim that the sacrifice (whom you've figured out through daygame) is the keymaster. There's no guarantee, however, that none of the players not "chosen" as keymaster is the sacrifice (though in this play the real sage can safely claim).

The other problem is that the game is about playing to not lose, even as the Sacrifice. There needs to be a wincon for players to accomplish at the same time, or the optimal strategy is... lurking!

Lurking gives control of the game to others, who aren't going to play for your benefit. To win the game, you must first self-preserve, second lynch a non-keymaster, non-sacrifice. The second part is hard if you rely only on luck and the first part is hard if you rely on other players who, again, aren't your teammates.

[ToonyMan]

Something I forgot to mention because I haven't read YTTD in awhile, but votes are anonymous. This means that on Day 1 more than likely two or more people will be tied with two votes. Players selected to be voted in the second vote phase also aren't allowed to vote, it's the remaining players that do it I believe. And yeah I don't see any reason for the Sacrifice not to vote themselves. The events that go down in the actual story I think are really neat and I wouldn't want to spoil that, and there's stuff that happens between the main games of course so I'd probably want to add more ways to make it interesting.

Possible Variant Ideas to make it more interesting for real players:
1. Add in a mafia team that aren't assigned roles? Or maybe they can too? Not sure how that would work since every other player is basically a survivor or jester.
2. Add in a night phase that allows players to screw with each other, for example, maybe have a thief or trickster that can steal roles and/or swap them with other players? The players targeted wouldn't know where their role ended up, or who had the role they were given. This would also allow other players to lie about what they did at night.

[FallacyofUrist]

It looks like The Moonlit Shadow's posts in Mafia Marathon are all gone? Did something happen?

[IcyTea31]

Looks like a nuking to me, as their user profile is also gone. It's a thing the Toad can do. Generally only to obvious spambots, but regular users can self-request it as well.

[Jim Groovester]

Mafia Marathon

Holy shit you guys played a game of mafia for a year? That's nuts.

[4maskwolf]

Insanity.  Insanity, I tell you.

[FallacyofUrist]

And I won!

Well.

Hector13 and I won, and he was the best player in that game - winning was based on a points mechanic where you gained one or more points each time you won a round, and could 'forfeit' your points for a meta bonus. Hector13 forfeited all the time. I never did. In the end we had the same number of points.