[1] Are you intentionally missing the point of the argument? The point was that you claimed your response was based on town, when the question I asked, the one you responded too, was entirely about scum. So no, that's not regarding town at all. This is about the third time I've clarified this, and you continue to change the subject.
No, I'm not intentionally missing anything. The statement about having already "slipped up" (the part you've been asking about) was in reference to me playing as town and showing my gross lack of knowledge of night action mechanics and spelling conventions, because that's what I was doing. Otherwise, it would be an outright confession of being scum, and that makes no sense to do.
As for that "convince me you're town thing" you asked for, I went back and found a couple of quotes from or about myself, with some explanation for why they're there.
This was a bit of a trap for you,4maskwolf because I gave you a way to escape my question, namely the gamestarter excuse. The fact that you used it shows that you neither thought very long about your response, nor had an original answer of your own. That is making me even more suspicious of you. So it was a trap, Not a very mafia-specific trap, but a trap nonetheless.
It isn't all that scummy, because it just shows that the answerer doesn't think the question merit's much thought. If they clarify themselves later on, that is scummy because they are giving a rehearsed answer and not the impulsive one the question was aiming for.
These two statements contradict each other very nicely. On the one hand you're lashing out at 4mask for not having an answer prepared, and in the next breath you're defending your own vague answers by saying that it's bad to have prepared your answers.
So, LARD, care to explain this dissonance? Not able to keep track of the different threads of the conversation while trying to also keep them in your favour, perhaps?
I was considering voting for Graknorke, as he is jumping on me for accusing 4mask,
If I am scum and somebody is attacking me, I probably will attack them. It looks suspicious and I generally look suspicious when I play these games.
Okay, I'm starting to appreciate those gamestarter questions from earlier on.
So LARD, you're explicitly avoiding an action you have said would make you look suspicious? That's pretty scummy in itself.
And your reason was way off anyway. I didn't jump on you for accusing 4mask, it was for holding two differing viewpoints. And then you clarified your answer, but you still seem to be making a suspiciously specific conclusion as to why I was pressuring you, even though I stated otherwise. It's almost like you think I think you have something against 4mask. Care to explain why?
Well firstly I think I did a pretty good job tripping LARD up with something here. It was genuinely scummy and I followed the trail for as long as I could until LARD stopped responding, at which point there wasn't much I could do.
Then there were some pretty well-written posts I made explaining my thoughts on certain matters and how people were acting in a way that's at least a bit helpful to other people.
By 'looking unnoticed', I mean when people act in a way that shows that they're active, but they're not actually contributing or putting themselves in a position where they would be targeted. Generally doing their best to not be considered as a candidate for lynching. It's not grounds for a lynch on its own, but definitely grounds for further pressure.
I don't like policy lynches on lurkers because Mafia is a game of numbers, and having a useless townie is still better than not. As far as I'm concerned, lurker policy lynches are more about deterring people from lurking and removing the hassle of having to work out an actual day1 lynch than it is about winning.
The player I'd say most avoiding attention is darkpaladin. He's made a few very short posts with no content in them. Though he might pick up again later and has only been posting like that because of some circumstances or other. Solymr hasn't posted since the very start of the game, but an absence of posts isn't as bad as contentless posts.
Ah, okay. If you had to lynch a lurker, what day would be the most optimal for doing so?
I really don't know. A day1 lynch is important, and it's not really useful if everybody just immediately decided on lynching the lurker, so I don't think day 1. By day 2 though there's already been a day of discussion, a lynch, and (probably) a NK to make decisions over. At that point discussion can sort of continue itself, even without a 'meaningful' lynch. So I suppose day 2.
Interesting Idea. Most people seem to think a Day 1 lurker lynch is best, but you raise a good counterpoint.
The answers weren't guarded or built up with excuses, they were open and honest. With these types of questions there's all sorts of ways I could have twisted the truth to make lynching certain people more justifiable (I think it was Persus13 voting for me at the time), but I didn't. Instead I stuck to what I thought and stayed on LARD.
There isn't too many more posts to go on after that, because it wasn't long before you started on me and we proceeded to talk past each other for half the thread.
But there is a bit of statistics:
Also, a lurker tracker update for those of you who care:
4maskwolf: 23
darkpaladin109: 5
Graknorke: 32
LARD: 8
Mastahcheese: 16
Persus13: 12
Solymr/epichighfive321: 4/10
TheDarkStar: 19
Tiruin: 17
And I know that you've read this thread recording that
the player with the highest post count is, statistically, very unlikely to be scum.
Yes, I know that statistics don't really prove anything, but they're not completely meaningless either. There's a reason why higher postcounts mean someone is less likely to be scum, and it's because town players are more prone to actively posting to get answers from people, while scum are more passive and defensive, only posting when posted to.
That wraps up what I picked up from a quick run-through of my posts. Now, onto other people...
Epichighfive, completely ignoring me is not a good thing. It doesn't look any better than when LARD did it. It makes it seem as though you're deliberately trying to avoid either drawing attention to me or from me. Neither reflects well on you. Neither does just saying that you agree with my opinion either. Copying other people is a fairly prominent scumtell, and you can't get much more copying than saying you have the same thoughts as another person.
And
LARD, you never did explain that. Why you excluded me from your 'reads' list. It wasn't a rhetorical question.
Darkpaladin, you are never going to get anywhere if you're scared of lynching the wrong person or of being lynched. This is my first game also, and the best analogy I can think of is getting into a swimming pool. You have to jump in and flail around a bit until you get your bearings. So go on, get some reads, refer to the scumtells list in the OP if you want, question someone on something. Just do
something, because lurking around isn't helping anyone.
And earlier I
unvoted but that doesn't seem to have gone into the count. Just making sure.
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