Why do you care about what I do or don't like?
saying something is well and truly useless if nobody listens.
why did you not answer my question?
Really?
I like how you trimmed your part of the post to imitate an answer, but the particular part to trim it to is the part I have already stated as being completely invalid. I'm going to listen. I have been listening. The fact that you are attempting to stall your responses for as long as possible does wonders to your attempt to convince me that you aren't scum.
That is the answer I gave at the time. You can say that it's invalid all you want (ironically enough), but that doesn't change the fact that it was an answer.
So your answer here is "I don't think anyone cares, so therefore, I shouldn't have to answer"?
Are you absolutely serious? And you
don't view this as dodging a question? If you asked me a question, and I replied with "You don't care about the answer, anyway", you
would not find this suspicious at all? Are you dead serious?
You know what? No. It's not invalid. It's utterly
stupid to believe that
anyone would accept crap like that as an acceptable answer. You can't just ignore someone's question, and believe that the person who asked the question just won't give a shit about it.
[1] No, that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if you find some something suspicious, you shouldn't just be willing to cast that out at a moment's notice. Regardless of what is considered normal or not, if something sets off a bell, then you pursue it. If the only thing you ever went off of was what you believed to be fact, then what is even the point in talking?
[2] Everything is important! Whether it looks like it or not, it is! If it was just a simple mistake, then did you learn anything from it?
[3] This, is once again deflection. Rather then continuing the line the subject is on, you are attempting to change it. That is still a scum tactic.
[1&2] At the time, I deemed it not worth following that set of questions, because it could so easily be explained away. If you don't agree then you can, but I decided that line of inquiry wouldn't actually turn up anything meaningful. I suppose that were I to be in that position again, I would try a related question rather than just stopping.
[3]No, I did mean the same subject. You said that I didn't place much weight in my suspicions and changed my mind often, and when I explained the example chosen, you said I hadn't answered your question. I was simply suggesting that you find another example of the same thing if you weren't satisfied with the explanation for that particular example.
[1,2] Alright, I can accept this now, you
finally actually gave a real answer. You said "I deemed it not worth following that set of questions" and opposed to "It's not important", which is an excuse, not an answer. So I'm actually good with this one, now.
[3] You're
still asking me to change the subject. Saying "this example is no good, bring me a new one" is not staying on the same subject, because now you're trying to change the context in which the subject resides.
The mentioning of feelings isn't an attempt at incrimination, trying to claim that I'm not scumhunting is, when I clearly have been by talking to you. So tell me then, which part of what I said in the above quote did you consider to be nothing but "feelings"? Since you failed to specify. Also since you appear to be under the belief that my request in an impossibility, how many games of Mafia have you read? Because my request is by no means at all an uncommon one, nor one that never gets answered.
[1] The part where you said "something is off about you". It didn't actually add anything other than making you sound like you had more than a couple of things I said and you didn't like. Like how a pigeon puffs out its chest, something insubstantial but it makes you look bigger anyway.
[2] It well and truly is impossible to prove that I'm town. I could argue it, but there's no absolute proof. There wouldn't be much of a game if there was. And past that, I suppose I fell into that most criminal of acts of assuming what someone's response will be. Though I don't think my assumptions were entirely misplaced, given 4mask's earlier mention of your propensity for tunnel-vision.I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't take anything I said as a scum tell in some way. I'll elaborate on that later in the post.
[1] So you'll allow LARD to be as transparent as "Graknorke is my next target" and you won't bat an eye, and I say my thought on the way you're acting, and suddenly you feel the need to attack it? Is this really what I'm hearing from you?
[2] You don't have to
prove, you just need to
convince. The only way to prove it is to get you killed, I'm asking for you to not make me feel like we need to go that far, and you're refusing to even attempt it, instead by saying "Your request is impossible!"
I'm sorry, I'm not quite understanding what you are meaning by "leading question", this is the second time you've used it, and I fail to grasp you are referencing with it.
Also, Really? " it's clear that by "slip-up" I meant mistake, since I applied it to townies" I actually went back and found the exact quote to show that it was in direct reference to scum!
So I take it from your answers that you'd dislike being scum, for the reason that you'd be bad at it? If you had to be scum, what do you think you'd find most interesting about it?
Not necessarily that I'd be bad at it. I've made a bunch of slip ups already without the added pressure of having to be an antagonist. But the extra pressure certainly wouldn't help.
The most interesting part I think would be the first and second day, where the scum are too outnumbered to swing a lynch vote and has to play smart to convince other people. That seems to be where the meat of basic scum gameplay is at.
I don't try to play the "well I did say 'without the added pressure of having to be an antagonist'" because guess what? Scum is fond of these little subtle hints of being town, to get suspicion away from them.
[1] Firstly, that is just begging WIFOM. "I can tell you're scum because you're acting like you're town." That is thinking that
would really only serve to benefit scum through causing chaos and distrust and WIFOM.
[2] What I said was the truth. If you are going to refuse to listen to the truth, then you're not going to get an answer you're happy with. You aren't going to get very far if whenever you hear something that isn't incriminating you just insist that really, deep down, it means I'm scum. And you do that with everything. "You did a scummy thing? SCUM! You didn't do a scummy thing? SCUM!" According to you I am simultaneously a bumbling scum who drops clues left and right, while simultaneously being subtle and lurking. You pick up on individual points, but never put them all into a whole.So come on then, [3] if I'm scum, what's my game plan? My overarching MO? [4] Or of course you could take the easy way out and say something like "Well it was your plan to look less suspicious by acting in different ways."
A leading question is one that expects a certain answer, such as something that starts with, "Don't you think". More context relevant would be "How/why did you do..." because it assumes that you did do that thing at all. In this case it was "Why are you loathe to have pressure applied to you?"
[1] You make a valid point, by deliberately ignoring the
actual statement and instead only focusing on the last part. So you still want to claim that what you said was in reference to town? Because I just disproved you with that quote, and you never even challenged it. I just
proved you lied. My question was
entirely about scum, and you just said that your response pertained to town.
[2] This huge portion can easily be summarized into "I'm town and you'll just have to believe me." Which holds no sway in any case at all. And then just a but further into it you begin to outright insult me.
[Bold] Are you intentionally enticing me to attack you? You've been passive-aggressive for a good while now, as I pointed out earlier, and you keep going further and further into it.
[3] Well, scum usually go about by killing townies in the night, and trying to get town to mislynch during the day, so I'd say that's your overarching plan. The individual details could all vary from person to person, so it's not exactly like I can read your mind. So I'll ask the question back to you. What
is your game plan?
[4] I find it ironic that you post this right before your definition of a "leading question", in that it is basically already assuming my response, which, as you say, a leading question would imply.
As with all of these "not answering my question"s you've been getting so excited over, with the first two (the third was actually a question I didn't answer) it seems like you just want a specific answer. When you get tired of this ridiculous song-and-dance, would you like to tell me what it is? Really, you've dug up a few things you don't like, demanded an explanation, then when you get the explanation you just ask for it again.
No, I'm not demanding re-explanations, I'm demanding that you stop dodging the questions! And I like how you repeated attempt to call all of my attempts to get anything out of you "ridiculous", I take it that you'd rather me simply back off? Leave you alone? Pretend it never happened?
I would like you to acknowledge that I have answered the questions, regardless of whether or not you're pleased with what the answers are. At least be honest about it rather than just repeatedly saying that I'm dodging the questions.
You have answered
most of the questions. I'll admit that, but I've even explained prior in this post that you have not answered
all the questions.
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