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[LeoLeonardoIII]

Or be afraid they could be wrongly convicted and tortured to death before they get a chance at appeal.

[Morrigi]

I still don't see what's wrong with hanging. If it's done properly, the neck is broken and death is almost instant, and you don't have to screw around with chemicals or electricity.

Because it is very frequently not done properly, and when that happens you can get decapitations or slow death by strangulation.

Lethal injection seems the most horrifying to me, though.  Being paralysed while a terrible pain slowly moves through your body sounds awful, and it's becoming increasingly clear that this is what's happening.

Anyway, this is all kindof secondary to the Guzman case.  How strong is the case for US extradition?  If he performed his crimes in Mexico then the Mexican government would surely wsnt to keep him.

I agree, lethal injection is probably even worse than the electric chair. What about guillotines, though? They are literally impossible to screw up as long as you bother to keep the blade sharp.

Extradition info:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joaquin-el-chapo-guzman-to-stand-trial-in-mexico-1st-and-any-extradition-to-us-likely-years-away/
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/25/world/americas/mexico-el-chapo-extradition
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-26320180

He has 13 years to serve of an existing 20 year sentence because he escaped from a Mexican prison after seven. He can also be charged with various things in Mexico, but is also wanted in five U.S. states for alleged money laundering and drug trafficking. His lawyers are trying to block the extradition, but it seems likely that he'll go through the Mexican court system first, and then be handed over to the U.S.

Edit: Added more news links.

[Neonivek]

Or be afraid they could be wrongly convicted and tortured to death before they get a chance at appeal.

Yes... it is almost like the legal system was created with that knowledge.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

NARCO groups have weakened in the face of such staunch US/Mexican jailing. Right?

Lord knows the other drug lords will see him get a nice self-furnished cell and indefinite trials and think 'gee, I should make sure to stop what we're doing incase that happens! They'll treat us with all the leniency of an innocent accused, how rad! I get to keep my money too?! Why are we still in Mexico anyways??'

[LeoLeonardoIII]

I think there's a middle ground between pampering the convicted and murderizing him. You bring up some excellent points: the convict would need to have his communications with his empire severed, his cell needs to be just as shitty as any crapsack 7-11 robber would get, his appeals are unlikely to change his outcomes, and of course any of his bank accounts that can be connected to him would have already been raided. But he still has nominal leadership, and he still has money squirreled away, right? But if he never gets out how will he enjoy those things? Is knowing that you own a car without ever seeing it worth anything?

And the operation must go on. His lieutenants will rise to take his position. Once they're in power they won't want to give it up. Even if he somehow gets out when he's 90 he'll just be gunned down on the street outside the prison because nobody wants to give him his money and power back.

I think some people can approach death with bravado, but what about living like a Mexican peasant again? After working so hard and killing so many people to climb out of that poverty and hopelessness?

[Bauglir]

NARCO groups have weakened in the face of such staunch US/Mexican jailing. Right?

Lord knows the other drug lords will see him get a nice self-furnished cell and indefinite trials and think 'gee, I should make sure to stop what we're doing incase that happens! They'll treat us with all the leniency of an innocent accused, how rad! I get to keep my money too?! Why are we still in Mexico anyways??'

What's this about a self-furnished cell and indefinite trials and getting to keep his money that you think I'm endorsing? Why do you think somebody afraid of physical violence could become the leader of Mexico's largest drug cartel? Why do you think that displaying desperation will do anything but feed their pride? Why do you think that emotional satisfaction is what we should be making our highest priority?

EDIT: Changed the last sentence above to make a little more sense.

FURTHER EDIT: I'm basically with Leo on this one.

[Neonivek]

NARCO groups have weakened in the face of such staunch US/Mexican jailing. Right?

Lord knows the other drug lords will see him get a nice self-furnished cell and indefinite trials and think 'gee, I should make sure to stop what we're doing incase that happens! They'll treat us with all the leniency of an innocent accused, how rad! I get to keep my money too?! Why are we still in Mexico anyways??'

Actually many of that isn't because the US laws are lax but more because if you want to deprive someone of overseas funds you need that country to be willing to cut them off.

And we actually do have laws against using other countries for tax loops.

As for Leniency of innocent accused... isn't the POINT of the law system that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, or rather that everyone has the right of protection under the law to be treated fairly?

[Leafsnail]

I agree, lethal injection is probably even worse than the electric chair. What about guillotines, though? They are literally impossible to screw up as long as you bother to keep the blade sharp.

It probably hurts like hell, though (even if fairly briefly).  And it potentially deprives the family of a proper funeral, which seems needlessly cruel.

He has 13 years to serve of an existing 20 year sentence because he escaped from a Mexican prison after seven. He can also be charged with various things in Mexico, but is also wanted in five U.S. states for alleged money laundering and drug trafficking. His lawyers are trying to block the extradition, but it seems likely that he'll go through the Mexican court system first, and then be handed over to the U.S.

That makes sense, I guess.  Agreeing to a special exception in this case would severely undermine their authority, I can't see it happening.

[Yoink]

I agree, lethal injection is probably even worse than the electric chair. What about guillotines, though? They are literally impossible to screw up as long as you bother to keep the blade sharp.

It probably hurts like hell, though (even if fairly briefly).  And it potential deprives the family of a proper funeral, which seems needlessly cruel.

Good sir, let me tell you about this fascinating new invention: they call it duct tape.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I agree, lethal injection is probably even worse than the electric chair. What about guillotines, though? They are literally impossible to screw up as long as you bother to keep the blade sharp.

It probably hurts like hell, though (even if fairly briefly).  And it potential deprives the family of a proper funeral, which seems needlessly cruel.

Good sir, let me tell you about this fascinating new invention: they call it duct tape.

I was going to say 'well you could probably put it back on' but even I'm not that fringe on this. 

[Eric Blank]

Just sew it back on.

[Pnx]

Just sew it back on.

They can even hide the stitch marks so it never looked like it was removed. You would be surprised how good morticians are at "reconstructing" badly damaged cadavers. Feck, there are specialists out there that could just create a whole new head for him, could make him look much younger too if they wanted. Though it's worth mentioning all this tends to wind up being expensive...

[Zangi]

Just sew it back on.

They can even hide the stitch marks so it never looked like it was removed. You would be surprised how good morticians are at "reconstructing" badly damaged cadavers. Feck, there are specialists out there that could just create a whole new head for him, could make him look much younger too if they wanted. Though it's worth mentioning all this tends to wind up being expensive...

The family gets to foot the bill if they want some quality craftsmanship done.

[Neonivek]

Now will his arrest actually help things?

Or is this one of those situations where it is ultimately meaningless?

[Chaoswizkid]

From my understanding, his entire drug empire was centered around him. You take out the capstone, the whole building falls. It's not going to make things magically better, but the organization should dissolve into smaller groups and that means that backdoor control of the Mexican government would be too hard to gain and maintain since the resources are split, and there will likely no longer be what is basically a state of civil war in Mexico between said drug empire and innocents + whoever gets in the way.