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« Reply #165 on: February 24, 2014, 02:01:21 pm »

I actually prefer snakes. Though I'm pretty sure everyone in my house would freak the fuck out if I got one.

You might be surprised.  Many people choose not to touch snakes when offered the opportunity, but some warm up to it, and I've only had one person truly freak out on me.  I recommend a corn snake to start with; they're generally calm, they never get too large, and they're a breeze to take care of.

I should get around to uploading a picture of my amelanistic corn playing around a Lego dwarf.

This is actually the part that makes me feel awkward. Since I will admit, I'm pretty sure I'm misandrist. Though I at least know I tilt that way and know not to let myself say something stupid even if I can't help but think it.

Much of my mother's family is misandrist, for good reason.  Fortunately, I've managed to land on their good side, mostly for being calm, ignoring the pecking order wars, avoiding alcohol, and staying out of jail.

we need a name of a female wizard that is not necessarily inherently insulting. witches won't work, even if you're going puella magi it's nothing to be really proud of being

Sorceress.  Granted, sorcery itself has a slightly different connotation than wizardry, but for some reason it's far less gender-divided.

I think disliking groups of people is actually ok, so long as you don't mix up the individuals with the group to which they belong, and don't let that dislike lead you down crazy paths.

My neighborhood is fond of disliking significantly large groups of people, but are extremely nice to anyone they meet in person.  Get too many of them together, though, and I start to feel uncomfortable with the tone of the conversation.  Casual bigotry and unfounded hatred just grates on my nerves.

On average, the homosexuals I know are smarter and nicer than the heterosexuals.

I think a lot of people entered programming languages, but Skyrunner just removed them before doing the graphs. Dunno why she kept "maths" though.

I'm surprised that I didn't think to do so.  Then again, I might have a hard time deciding which programming languages I'm "fluent" in.

I might also be interested in the number of languages we can use to an extent, but not to a fluent level.  For me, that includes one verbal and at least forty programming languages.
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« Reply #166 on: February 24, 2014, 02:26:23 pm »

we need a name of a female wizard that is not necessarily inherently insulting. witches won't work, even if you're going puella magi it's nothing to be really proud of being
Magic-User. d4 HP. Quarterstaff. Roll for your starting spell: aw, Ventriloquism again!
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« Reply #167 on: February 24, 2014, 02:28:54 pm »

Hey now, Ventriloquism is an awesome spell for causing bar brawls.
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« Reply #168 on: February 24, 2014, 02:32:39 pm »

I knew someone would try to carry a torch for Ventriloquism.
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« Reply #169 on: February 24, 2014, 02:34:58 pm »

Carry a torch? No, I'm trying to set you on fire... by hitting you with the torch.
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« Reply #170 on: February 24, 2014, 02:35:21 pm »

You might be surprised.  Many people choose not to touch snakes when offered the opportunity, but some warm up to it, and I've only had one person truly freak out on me.  I recommend a corn snake to start with; they're generally calm, they never get too large, and they're a breeze to take care of.

See the thing is I already know my sister is TERRIFIED of snakes. Makes the fact that her girlfriend has a rather easy to notice Tattoo of one pretty awkward.


we need a name of a female wizard that is not necessarily inherently insulting. witches won't work, even if you're going puella magi it's nothing to be really proud of being

Wizard is unisex. Despite what most people will tell you. I just tend to use Sorceress/sorcerer or Magician anyway.
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« Reply #171 on: February 24, 2014, 03:26:32 pm »

I think disliking groups of people is actually ok, so long as you don't mix up the individuals with the group to which they belong, and don't let that dislike lead you down crazy paths.
Yeah. Try making a mere observation and accidentally alienate everybody around you just by voicing an opinion, and come back to me about that. I'm getting uncomfortable having to always walk on eggshells just by speaking up (who can I NOT offend anymore just by talking? I have no primary intent to offend. I'm just brutally honest with my thoughts/observations.). I mean, I feel like even uttering a syllable is enough to raise hell against me these days.

On that note, if anyone was alienated by any of my past comments lately, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend; I was just getting a little worried about how things have been developing lately. No need to mention the source. It should be obvious to those who know what I speak about (also, this is my preferred way of talking. Certain details need not to be mentioned if it's still relatively known/recent (IE- I omit the obvious, unless otherwise required. Sorta a way to protect the innocent, and not go into as much detail about all kinds of crap, and gets to the point if it's still clinging on anyone's minds.)).
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« Reply #172 on: February 24, 2014, 05:21:42 pm »

You can dislike what a group stands for (if they stand for something) and pretty reasonably assume a member of that group stands for the same thing, but for groups without any sort of ideology (gender, race, ethnicity, etc), disliking a group is well... prejudiced.

There's no real excuse for racism of any sort, sexism if any sort, hating ethnicities, etc.


I will point out a possible point of confusion with the above: Some cultures have practices you might feel are bad. That's fine. You don't have to like genital mutilation or whatever (and seriously you should hate it). Just don't assume someone from that culture automatically shares all of its beliefs and customs.
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« Reply #173 on: February 24, 2014, 05:57:13 pm »

There is such a thing as profiling; but that's pretty much the only justification for this kind of prejudice. And then Leo's statement becomes very important: Profiling is only statistically correct, not necessarily in the case currently at hand.
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« Reply #174 on: February 24, 2014, 07:18:48 pm »

Yeah the only ethical use of statistical data like that is for things like advertising or policy making. It's not something that should ever be used by individuals against individuals.

Even not counting ethics, there are plenty of better ways to size someone up than incredibly broad generalizations.
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« Reply #175 on: February 24, 2014, 08:09:27 pm »

For the theoretical person outside the reference frame of Humanity (like Xantalos), their profiling would classify every human they meet as a 28-year-old Asian.
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« Reply #176 on: February 24, 2014, 08:15:53 pm »

You're just saying that because he has tentacles. That's racist.
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« Reply #177 on: February 24, 2014, 08:17:21 pm »

... that comes out as somehow incredibly smug with that new avatar, J. Excellent smirk, would +1.
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« Reply #178 on: February 24, 2014, 08:18:00 pm »

Considering the tentacles, that age may be too high...
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« Reply #179 on: February 24, 2014, 08:31:58 pm »

I think advertising, as it's done in America today, is inherently unethical.

People set up focus groups to figure out what colors and sounds and images will trigger thoughts and feelings. Casinos are red and flashy and loud to get you to spend more and move faster. Restaurants will have bright lights and peppy music so you eat faster and clear the table for another customer. SUV designers play to concepts of dominance and power. We still have free will, but a soda commercial makes you thirsty and a billboard with a burger on it makes you hungry. All of this is not to remind you that the product still exists, but to urge you to purchase that product, to remember that brand name. In that way it, even in a small way, reduces your input on the decision.

After I stopped watching TV I realized I didn't crave junk food anymore. I was already fairly spartan in my tastes but I realized that I wasn't thinking about wanting new possessions anymore. If I'm on the computer and ads are in the sidebar and I see some pizza ads, I'm noticeably less likely to want to cook dinner, and instead get lazy and decide to order something.

Secondly, advertisers lie. By not giving you the full information you don't have as strong of an ability to make a clear decision. When is the last time you ate at a restaurant where the food actually looked like the ad? Restaurants that nice don't advertise on TV. The Big Mac or pizza you see is a room-temperature piece of art, blowtorched to perfect brownness, screwed to a plank and raised up with cardboard inserts. That assumes it hasn't simply been CGd to death after filming. Your truck will not do what the truck on the commercial does, and your hybrid will not get that mileage unless you drive like a grandma. That video game commercial is showing cutscenes, occasionally in-game footage, but it's shallow and lame compared to how they describe it. Quotes from people and publications are generally purchased or come from people who don't matter.

Thirdly, because advertisers are so insistent and obnoxious, we tune them out. We TIVO past the commercials or use Adblock online. We have spam filters on our email inboxes and even set up fake email addresses to use when signing up for a thing so that the info doesn't get sold. The reaction they should have is, "Oh, people fucking hate ads, maybe we should figure out some other revenue scheme" but instead they just get more obnoxious. They fill our mailboxes with junk mail, they call and text. In my hometown they made it illegal to add new billboards, but the existing billboards are grandfathered in. People argued that outlawing billboards entirely would detract from revenue that the landowner had before. I can see why they would not want to make less money, but I can come up with a dozen counterexamples which show their argument is bullshit. But they got their way!

The Internet is packed with shitty ads that can even be an attack vector, depending, and yet we're OK with it. Because we ignore them. But they fight back. Advertising interests want to make money off the Internet, and are slowly screwing us all over doing it. Youtube used to be profitable without video ads. This flash game site I play on called Kongregate has started playing video ads before loading a game. You watch a TV network's website like ABC and the videos, which barely work anyway and are never the most recent shows, are still packed with sometimes a half dozen ads per commercial break, and 3-4 breaks per episode. Yet their costs in delivering that show are lower than when broadcasting. I believe advertisers, individually self-interested, would be willing to effectively destroy our enjoyment of the Internet (a thing much more important than they will ever be) just to keep making a buck. And when they're done, they'll move on to the next beautiful thing to destroy it.

I don't wear clothes that have logos. If I really want that clothing and I can remove the logo, I do. Frequently a jacket, for example, will have the logo as a separate piece of cloth or rubber and you can snip the stitching and pull it off without damaging the jacket. Shoes are more difficult. I feel that if I'm going to walk around showing the logo, I'm advertising for their company. I should get the product cheaper if I have to show off a logo, or else get a monthly check. If I put a wrap on my car to advertise some payday loan shark or accountant, I get paid. I don't see why it shouldn't be the same for clothing.

But there are companies that do not advertise, yet remain successful. There are cities that have outlawed billboards. There are websites completely without ads that still turn a profit. If tomorrow every ad man and woman woke up and decided to spend the rest of their days surfing and eating milkshakes and carving ducks out of driftwood instead of making ads the world would be a far better place.
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