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Misty Kolnazom, the Greatest Cheesemaker Ever!
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Author Topic: The Littlest Cheesemaker - Updated 12/07/2022  (Read 1858239 times)

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Re: The Littlest Cheesemaker (Illustrated Interactive Story)
« Reply #870 on: June 08, 2014, 09:25:03 pm »

"Are you there, gods? It's me, Mistêm."
Yeah I think this would probably be best. Stay humble for now.

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Re: The Littlest Cheesemaker (Illustrated Interactive Story)
« Reply #871 on: June 09, 2014, 02:16:06 am »

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With both a good and bad* influence,  we have a perfect/flawless morality system.

It's not a good/evil axis, it's a cheese/change axis.

Misty has two main driving forces: to be a great cheesemaker, and to break away from the stagnation of her former life.  Cowsea represents cheese, Urist represents change.

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Re: The Littlest Cheesemaker (Illustrated Interactive Story)
« Reply #872 on: June 09, 2014, 03:04:45 am »

I feel like she could develop some sort of suicide-cheese dualistic morality system. Sort of nacho flavor blue-orange morality.
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Re: The Littlest Cheesemaker (Illustrated Interactive Story)
« Reply #873 on: June 09, 2014, 05:24:47 am »

I feel like she could develop some sort of suicide-cheese dualistic morality system. Sort of nacho flavor blue-orange morality.
MMmm... And I feel like that'd be a bit heavy-handed and morbid. Granted, this is the Dwarf Fortress multiverse, so it's going to get morbid eventually anyway, but let's try to keep it light-hearted for now... I just don't feel right about driving a cute, bright-eyed little thirteen year old to suicide.

Which brings up a pretty decent point, what the hell happens when she gets to ShieldDawn? There've been some murmurings but no solid theories.

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« Reply #874 on: June 09, 2014, 05:37:56 am »

Still though, if we're looking at it from the aspect of cheese versus change, lets think for a second about what milk ( and by extension cheese ) represents. It represents nurture and comfort. And as the goddess of livestock and the harvest, not just of cheese, Cowsea is by far the most kind and represents the all to rare element of stability in a dwarf's life. The drive to settle down and accept who you are now as you are now and be okay with it. On the other hand, Urist is the force of change, the urge to wander and to improve* yourself. To become a brand new person where once there was another. In some regards, there's an element of dissatisfaction in there. So in a way, I could see where people are trying to play the good/evil cards, but it's not really. It's more of a struggle to balance self-improvement and being happy about who one is and one's circumstances. After all, too content and you become docile, complacent, useless. Driven by too grandiose a dream and trying to change too much too fast? You'll burn out and slip into self-loathing that very well could lead to actual, literal suicide. We want our Misty to change and to improve, but not too put so much pressure on herself that she goes insane. And that's more what I think the shoulder deities will represent.

Don't get me wrong, there could be mores that aren't strictly to do with this sort of thing. For example, say a dwarf is in stuck under a rock or something. It could go like this...

Urist: "No, let him save himself. He has to go through the struggle to get stronger."

Cowsea: "Mooo... You should help him. He could be a valuable companion and it doesn't look like he can make it himself."

Or something like that... Not so much good and evil, both deities want what they think is good for both Misty and the other dwarf, but what they want is still in contrast and is probably how dwarves really think. ( But I'm just guessing. )

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Re: The Littlest Cheesemaker (Illustrated Interactive Story)
« Reply #875 on: June 09, 2014, 05:41:08 am »

Yeah I can agree with that.
None of the Dwarven deities seem to be inherently evil, it's just a matter of perspective and different philosophies.
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Re: The Littlest Cheesemaker (Illustrated Interactive Story)
« Reply #876 on: June 09, 2014, 07:08:03 am »

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Re: The Littlest Cheesemaker (Illustrated Interactive Story)
« Reply #877 on: June 09, 2014, 01:21:30 pm »

I recommend adding a "piety meter" which is a bar with Cowsea on one end and Urist on the other. Even though these two aren't mutually exclusive, it still would make for some fun competition between the two.
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Re: The Littlest Cheesemaker (Illustrated Interactive Story)
« Reply #878 on: June 09, 2014, 01:28:01 pm »

I recommend adding a "piety meter" which is a bar with Cowsea on one end and Urist on the other. Even though these two aren't mutually exclusive, it still would make for some fun competition between the two.

If we do this like mass effect Paragon/Renegade points, I'm all for it.

Extra brownies if the symbols get used and Misty asks what the symbols mean as a point of humor.
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« Reply #879 on: June 09, 2014, 01:30:43 pm »

If evictedSaint is up for that idea, sure I'll vote for such a system.
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Re: The Littlest Cheesemaker (Illustrated Interactive Story)
« Reply #880 on: June 09, 2014, 04:16:56 pm »

Maybe we're all overestimating the importance/involvement of the gods a little.
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Re: The Littlest Cheesemaker (Illustrated Interactive Story)
« Reply #881 on: June 09, 2014, 04:25:05 pm »

Maybe we are.
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Re: The Littlest Cheesemaker (Illustrated Interactive Story)
« Reply #882 on: June 09, 2014, 07:10:05 pm »

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Re: The Littlest Cheesemaker (Illustrated Interactive Story)
« Reply #883 on: June 10, 2014, 01:46:12 am »

"Are you there, gods? It's me, Mistêm."
Yeah I think this would probably be best. Stay humble for now.

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Re: The Littlest Cheesemaker (Illustrated Interactive Story)
« Reply #884 on: June 10, 2014, 03:08:11 am »

"Are you there, gods? It's me, Mistêm."
Yeah I think this would probably be best. Stay humble for now.

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