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[kj1225]

Who will tell the duke who just ordered two people to order a queen in cold blood that he's being a racist jackass?

Exactly. So there's one thing.

We never are told that the whole thing takes multiple days to clean up. It could have been accomplished in the, what, two days the movie takes place in?

It's probable that if they were able to have someone toss the prince into the brig they had some proof. And that's not to mention what the OTHER princes of the Southern Isles would probably do to him considering if he was locked up he would not be able to do anything else to gain power over them so... where's the point on that?

And if it's so small and unlikely to prosper now then why attack them? Especially when the queen could make the soldiers experience Russia in winter without warning.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Spoiler: Probably pointless, but eh. (click to show/hide)

It's not just that no one (not even Prince Hans, who did step in) told him he was being a bigoted* jackass, no one reacted at all to his statement.
If your hypothetical racist grandpa dropped the n-word at a dinner, you'd expect people around him would react, if only for his family members to sigh at Gramps embarrassing them again.
*Since magicians are not a race, it isn't racist. Technically.
Besides, Elsa's parents found it fully plausible that she would be lynched if it was discovered that she was magical.

When did I say it took multiple days to clean up? Two days is plenty of time to screw with things.

What proof do they have? What proof could they have? The Prince's questionable deeds were:
1. attempting to kill a person who had frozen what appears to be the entire world and was making it even worse, and who he believed* killed his fiancee (and her sister).
2. attempting to kill said fiancee/sister...but knowing this, *or the fact that he didn't know Anna was dead, requires either one to believe Anna's story or for Hans to confess. It would be out-of-character for the latter to happen, and I don't think anyone outside Arendell is going to believe Anna over Hans on this one. Even assuming that gender and the relative statuses of their kingdoms don't factor into this,

Why attack them? Their queen almost killed everyone! Oh, and she's a witch, suffer not the witch to live and all that. Not to mention that going to war to secure a bride, let alone un-jilt someone, wasn't uncommon for the period and was one of the more-justified war types. And Hans would still want to gain power, and the King of the Southern Isles would want to give his son what he deserves. And Elsa can't be everywhere. A handful of soldiers went into her ice castle and managed to incapacitate her, even though barely any actually affected that. There were the Dukes' men, and Prince Hans, and a bunch of people who allowed them to get past Marshmallow. Yeah, those probably weren't ideal circumstances, but I have no doubt that they'd be able and willing to deal with Elsa...especially with the threat of another eternal winter on the table. After all, what caused the last one? An argument with her sister. That's public knowledge, and it doesn't paint a good picture of Elsa's control over her power.

[kj1225]

Can you fetch me the specific scenes where he said those things and show me a lack of reaction by those around him?
And they were partially justified in that the main reason she would be is i something bad happened.

You stated a few days. It normally mean more than one.

You haven't said anything against my argument. WHY WOULD HANS' BOTHERS NOT KEEP HIM LOCKED UP AS HE IS OBVIOUSLY A THREAT TO THEIR CLAIMS ON THE THRONE?  He is obviously not favored by anyone so there is no reason the king would let him continue running amok, ecpseacially when he has, what, nine brothers that want him as far from the throne as possible? And another thing, why would they let him make an army considering how easy it would be for him to force the next in line to give over the throne with one?

And why is it common knowledge that an argument caused the winter? It seems unlikely to me that that would cause something that bad. If I were... Anyone in power I'd dismiss it as insane ramblings. Also, we aren't considering that they would probably have alies in one other kingdom that had a movie. And guess who can be seen in the crowed in the beginning? I'll give you a hint. One used to be blonde with long hair, and the other was a criminal who stole a crown.

[WillowLuman]

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Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Though I suspect things may change by the end of this RP when some characters manage to hear Elsa's side of the story. Already they distrust...

Isn't Hans the youngest son, and pretty solidly at the bottom of his family's pecking order? Family pride does go a long way, but it's not like he's the favorite or the heir. It would be a more likely motivation if the king took it as an insult to his family honor, rather than his son's individual honor. Which all things considered, he might.

TBH, the setting didn't look medieval to me. We don't see any muskets, but people are wearing 18th century (1700's) clothing rather than medieval or Renaissance period dress.

[Xantalos]

Well, no one gives a shit about Hans since he's 13th in the line of succession - unless all of his brother accidentally die in which case he's probably getting tried for murder, nobody really cares about him.
He can raise an army because he's a member of the royal family, and presumably holds some sort of position in the military there.
Though given that he knows that Elsa controls her emotions via love, why not just hire an assassin (male or female doesn't really matter) to seduce her and then stab her in the throat while in a kiss or having sex or something to that effect, since her dampening emotion would likely reduce her danger sense and not let her powers get too out of hand. It's what I'd do if I were playing in this game.

[WillowLuman]

I don't think Elsa's interested in romance. And her love didn't stop her from accidentally zapping her own sister, though said sibling love was also strong enough to thaw the whole kingdom.

[Xantalos]

Exactly - if you can pose as a mage in need of controlling your powers ad have come to the kingdom of Arrendale for help from the ice queen, surely her compassionate heart would lend her to help you. And if you happened to connect and grow closer during the training, taking advantage of the fact that she's still very isolated despite being connected with her sister - Anna doesn't know what it means to be a mage, after all - well, love and more importantly trust would surely spawn from this relationship, right?
Of course you have to be a psychopath to pull it off, but it's very possible; I thought it up in the first five minutes of watching the movie.

[kj1225]

That's the dumbest plan I ever heard. Who lets some random dude get training from the queen who will obviously have enemies that will use underhanded tactics?

[Xantalos]

Disney people. If the guy's frightened of his magic and afraid of what he might do to his family, Elsa would see something of herself in him. It happens all the time, the only difference here is that the innocent guy is a coldblooded assassin who's gonna stab Elsa through the neck when she starts necking him.

[kj1225]

Then he'll fail if it's Disney since Disney always has a happy ending.

He'll still fail if it's not Disney as he wouldn't get the training.

[Xantalos]

This isn't Disney, though, it's an RTD.

[kj1225]

See point two.

[Xantalos]

Why not?

[RangerCado]

Selina could probably pull that off honestly, if she were psychotic enough. If she were given that mission right now, she'd probably take it as a chance to escape from this boot camp with her friend.

[Harry Baldman]

Exactly - if you can pose as a mage in need of controlling your powers ad have come to the kingdom of Arrendale for help from the ice queen, surely her compassionate heart would lend her to help you. And if you happened to connect and grow closer during the training, taking advantage of the fact that she's still very isolated despite being connected with her sister - Anna doesn't know what it means to be a mage, after all - well, love and more importantly trust would surely spawn from this relationship, right?
Of course you have to be a psychopath to pull it off, but it's very possible; I thought it up in the first five minutes of watching the movie.

((What's the point of even using subterfuge like that? Just send your regular (or hired) assassins to resolve the matter the good ol' fashioned way. Infiltrate the domain of the Queen with spies. Sow dissent. Use poison. Swords. Poisoned swords. Destabilize integral chandeliers. That sort of thing. I'm sure you could drum up support for the idea with other courts in the land, get them to pitch in. The Queen isn't really receptive to dialogue, anyway, and has no real allies of note. Kill the queen, forge claims, partition the kingdom. Go Crusader Kings II on her magical ass. Now that's something I could really get behind, you know?))