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...Is wearing one of those replacement limbs going to induce thoughts of omnicide?

[AkumaKasai]

...Is wearing one of those replacement limbs going to induce thoughts of omnicide?

Of course. They come preinjected with near-lethal amounts of pure adrenaline and steroids.

[piecewise]

...Is wearing one of those replacement limbs going to induce thoughts of omnicide?

nahhhhh....probably not.

[Radio Controlled]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

hey pw, is something like this possible in ER:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i9rS-x4aT5w
You can assume the system we would use might have extra gauss/railgun systems to help launch it up (eg kinda like a LESHO). It also doesn't have to be equally 'man-portable' as this, something exoskeleton-fired would also be ok. Or hell, a small stationary system (like how a mortar can be used by a regular human, but said human couldn't use it on the move, he has to deploy it first). Finally, assume the target is a spaceship that's in an orbit allowing it to do precision laser bombardment.

Well thats the silliest fucking defense system I've ever seen.

Anyways, so you're basically just asking if we can create some sort of ground based, semi-portable missile system for engaging targets in close orbit?

Yes (for the record, they used that so the peeps on that station could deny they themselves shot that ship full of refugees. It was for 'plausible deniability'). Failing that, how big would such a system (aka rail/gauss launcher, with rockets to further boost it up) need to be to target ships in such an orbit? Assume a payload capable of dealing decent damage to such a spaceship (shaped nuclear charge perhaps?)

((Reposting before I forget.))

Well, depends on the planet it's used on honestly. Earth level gravity would make getting a handheld rocket off the planet pretty damn hard. You'd need some serious thrust on that thing, or a lot of time for it to putt putt up and out of the atmosphere slowly. How far off planet are we talking here? Upper atmosphere? Near space?

Even something like upper atmosphere is probably gonna require a large enough rocket that this system will need to be strapped to the back of a battle suit or something similar.

If a spaceship has a maximum distance X at which it can still give accurate fire support (not indiscriminate kinetic bombardment), then that range.

What if it was a system that's mounted on a modified battlesuit-like platform? Maybe a big rigid spinal-mounted super-LESHO?

What if it was a system where you have a long (several meters below ground) tube with gauss accelerators (magnets ho!) at the sides to give it a really big push? The projectile itself still has rockets, but it gets a good deal of its initial speed from the launch system.


Also, I propose you rename this (or Hep) thread to 'my hubris'.

[piecewise]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

hey pw, is something like this possible in ER:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i9rS-x4aT5w
You can assume the system we would use might have extra gauss/railgun systems to help launch it up (eg kinda like a LESHO). It also doesn't have to be equally 'man-portable' as this, something exoskeleton-fired would also be ok. Or hell, a small stationary system (like how a mortar can be used by a regular human, but said human couldn't use it on the move, he has to deploy it first). Finally, assume the target is a spaceship that's in an orbit allowing it to do precision laser bombardment.

Well thats the silliest fucking defense system I've ever seen.

Anyways, so you're basically just asking if we can create some sort of ground based, semi-portable missile system for engaging targets in close orbit?

Yes (for the record, they used that so the peeps on that station could deny they themselves shot that ship full of refugees. It was for 'plausible deniability'). Failing that, how big would such a system (aka rail/gauss launcher, with rockets to further boost it up) need to be to target ships in such an orbit? Assume a payload capable of dealing decent damage to such a spaceship (shaped nuclear charge perhaps?)

((Reposting before I forget.))

Well, depends on the planet it's used on honestly. Earth level gravity would make getting a handheld rocket off the planet pretty damn hard. You'd need some serious thrust on that thing, or a lot of time for it to putt putt up and out of the atmosphere slowly. How far off planet are we talking here? Upper atmosphere? Near space?

Even something like upper atmosphere is probably gonna require a large enough rocket that this system will need to be strapped to the back of a battle suit or something similar.

If a spaceship has a maximum distance X at which it can still give accurate fire support (not indiscriminate kinetic bombardment), then that range.

What if it was a system that's mounted on a modified battlesuit-like platform? Maybe a big rigid spinal-mounted super-LESHO?

What if it was a system where you have a long (several meters below ground) tube with gauss accelerators (magnets ho!) at the sides to give it a really big push? The projectile itself still has rockets, but it gets a good deal of its initial speed from the launch system.


Also, I propose you rename this (or Hep) thread to 'my hubris'.

Well that depends on the ship and the payload. I mean, lasers will lose coherency over a certain distance but a gauss shot will, assuming it's aimed correctly, be able to hit a planet on the other side of the freaking galaxy. Are we talking like warships or more like weaponized shuttles? Because Weaponized shuttles is basically the only thing a ground based rocket will be able to take out. Even nuke tipped rockets will probably be shot down by anything with a decent Point defense system.

That could work better, Especially if you're mostly using it to aid in reaching escape velocity.

Again, that works, but kinda kills the point of mobility eh?

[Radio Controlled]

TINKER: Miya's Hubris

Not what I had in mind, what with you always complaining about tinker, but still true enough.

Well that depends on the ship and the payload. I mean, lasers will lose coherency over a certain distance but a gauss shot will, assuming it's aimed correctly, be able to hit a planet on the other side of the freaking galaxy. Are we talking like warships or more like weaponized shuttles? Because Weaponized shuttles is basically the only thing a ground based rocket will be able to take out. Even nuke tipped rockets will probably be shot down by anything with a decent Point defense system.

That could work better, Especially if you're mostly using it to aid in reaching escape velocity.

Again, that works, but kinda kills the point of mobility eh?

Mobility isn't the main point, the point is checking if there is a cheap-ish way for a planet to defend itself from ships in orbit. AS for range, I specified it before:

assume the target is a spaceship that's in an orbit allowing it to do precision laser bombardment.

This could be a shuttle in low orbit, or a warship higher. point is, one cannot easily defend against long-range kinetic glassing, but at that range you also don't have precise (kinetic or laser) fire support (to give artillery support to your ground troops capturing whatever it is you don't wanna nuke). I am trying to see if there is a way for a planet to 'scare away' warships in orbit (and shuttles flying lower I guess), because if yes, the UWM could use that to prevent our 'kill every hard target or group of resistance from space' doctrine.

Some facts to help:

A low Earth orbit (LEO) is an orbit around Earth with an altitude between 160 kilometers (99 mi) (orbital period of about 88 minutes), and 2,000 kilometers (1,200 mi) (about 127 minutes).

Earth observation satellites and spy satellites use LEO as they are able to see the surface of the Earth more clearly as they are not so far away. They are also able to traverse the surface of the Earth. A majority of artificial satellites are placed in LEO, making one complete revolution around the Earth in about 90 minutes.

The North American X-15 was a hypersonic rocket-powered aircraft operated by the United States Air Force and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration as part of the X-plane series of experimental aircraft. The X-15 set speed and altitude records in the 1960s, reaching the edge of outer space and returning with valuable data used in aircraft and spacecraft design. As of June 2015, the X-15 holds the official world record for the highest speed ever reached by a manned, powered aircraft. Its maximum speed was 4,520 miles per hour (7,274 km/h), or Mach 6.72.[1]

So, given a ship in LEO (say 1000km) away and a projectile with a average speed of 8 000 km/h (seems very plausible with ER tech, could probably be much higher) it would take the projectile 7.5 minutes (450 sec) for impact. If you can shoot one down every 5 seconds, that's just 90 rockets you need to take down a spaceship (that would cost more in resources, due to needing space magic for FTL engines).

[piecewise]

TINKER: Miya's Hubris

Not what I had in mind, what with you always complaining about tinker, but still true enough.

Well that depends on the ship and the payload. I mean, lasers will lose coherency over a certain distance but a gauss shot will, assuming it's aimed correctly, be able to hit a planet on the other side of the freaking galaxy. Are we talking like warships or more like weaponized shuttles? Because Weaponized shuttles is basically the only thing a ground based rocket will be able to take out. Even nuke tipped rockets will probably be shot down by anything with a decent Point defense system.

That could work better, Especially if you're mostly using it to aid in reaching escape velocity.

Again, that works, but kinda kills the point of mobility eh?

Mobility isn't the main point, the point is checking if there is a cheap-ish way for a planet to defend itself from ships in orbit. AS for range, I specified it before:

assume the target is a spaceship that's in an orbit allowing it to do precision laser bombardment.

This could be a shuttle in low orbit, or a warship higher. point is, one cannot easily defend against long-range kinetic glassing, but at that range you also don't have precise (kinetic or laser) fire support (to give artillery support to your ground troops capturing whatever it is you don't wanna nuke). I am trying to see if there is a way for a planet to 'scare away' warships in orbit (and shuttles flying lower I guess), because if yes, the UWM could use that to prevent our 'kill every hard target or group of resistance from space' doctrine.

Some facts to help:

A low Earth orbit (LEO) is an orbit around Earth with an altitude between 160 kilometers (99 mi) (orbital period of about 88 minutes), and 2,000 kilometers (1,200 mi) (about 127 minutes).

Earth observation satellites and spy satellites use LEO as they are able to see the surface of the Earth more clearly as they are not so far away. They are also able to traverse the surface of the Earth. A majority of artificial satellites are placed in LEO, making one complete revolution around the Earth in about 90 minutes.

The North American X-15 was a hypersonic rocket-powered aircraft operated by the United States Air Force and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration as part of the X-plane series of experimental aircraft. The X-15 set speed and altitude records in the 1960s, reaching the edge of outer space and returning with valuable data used in aircraft and spacecraft design. As of June 2015, the X-15 holds the official world record for the highest speed ever reached by a manned, powered aircraft. Its maximum speed was 4,520 miles per hour (7,274 km/h), or Mach 6.72.[1]

So, given a ship in LEO (say 1000km) away and a projectile with a average speed of 8 000 km/h (seems very plausible with ER tech, could probably be much higher) it would take the projectile 7.5 minutes (450 sec) for impact. If you can shoot one down every 5 seconds, that's just 90 rockets you need to take down a spaceship (that would cost more in resources, due to needing space magic for FTL engines).

Well then yes, it would be a possible to make something like this and make it portable. Probably not super portable, but portable.

[Hapah]

Tinker Project! Hopefully an easy one.

I want a Gauss Rifle that shoots the same size slugs at a better rate of fire (3-4x?). Make the mag bigger by the same amount so that it doesn't run dry after 2 rounds of shooting. Will likely be bulkier and heavier as a result. Shooting for a price in the 6-7 token range. Does this sound feasible? Need any more info?

[Radio Controlled]

Well then yes, it would be a possible to make something like this and make it portable. Probably not super portable, but portable.

So, that means that, as long as an enemy isn't willing to nuke the shit out of an area from really far away, it should be possible to deny orbital artillery support capabilities?


Next thing: artillery support shuttle. Basically a high-altitude gunship. We talked about this before, do you remember that? Think a shuttle with the following features:
-Can fly at high altitude.
-Decent sensors to be able to accurately fire.
-Has QEC to Sword and good regular comms to talk to ground troops.
-Has a shape to help with stealth (like what the B-2 has going) and a coating of stealth material.
-Has a suite of countermeasures (flares, chaff, ...)
-Armored with a ground layer of sharkmist plate and hexsand on top of it (enough to protect against conventional AA laser installations).
-Armed with:
      -A couple lasers of variable output (maybe a design like the FEL cruiser, basically a big box with multiple exit sites for the laser beam). At the least, an output/turret in the front, back, sides and underside
      -A LESHO-like launch system for very precise missiles that can (but don't strictly have to) be accelerated with gauss tech. Missiles can have various payloads.
-Cockpit to allow for up to 3 pilots (or 6 braincases), but can be remote-controlled by steve as well.
-When a pilot is present, the chances for an artillery strike to hit is better according to the pilot's AUX skill. But please, don't make the thing miss 4/6 of the time when on autopilot, like the Hep artillery did, that was a bit ridiculous.
-It costs 5 tokens to have the artillery shuttle deployed.
-1 token buys you 3 airstrike 'vouchers'. Spending more vouchers at once allows a larger strike (spending 1 might buy you a 3 sec laser sweep of battlesuit-damaging power, spending 2 might buy you a single laser pulse straight melting a battlesuit, spending 5 vouchers might buy you a kinetic missile with a nuclear payload, etc). Should we precisely define what amount gets you what, or woud you prefer to keep it more vague?
-Name: not sure yet; Probably High Altitude Gunship ("Deploy the HAG!") or an animal as designation (probably a bird of prey. Eagle, falcon harrier, buzzard, hawk, something like that. What would you like best or find easiest to remember?

[Sean Mirrsen]

-Name: not sure yet; Probably High Altitude Gunship ("Deploy the HAG!") or an animal as designation (probably a bird of prey. Eagle, falcon harrier, buzzard, hawk, something like that. What would you like best or find easiest to remember?

((We've been doing well naming ships after weapons. For this one, "Kunai" would seem appropriate.))

[tryrar]

-Name: not sure yet; Probably High Altitude Gunship ("Deploy the HAG!") or an animal as designation (probably a bird of prey. Eagle, falcon harrier, buzzard, hawk, something like that. What would you like best or find easiest to remember?

((We've been doing well naming ships after weapons. For this one, "Kunai" would seem appropriate.))

((Then we should name the Hot Extract Shuttle the EXACTO knife )

[Shaporia]

Oooh, when if Zayne over perma dies I'm totally going to make a pilot character.

[Unholy_Pariah]

Scalpels are good at extracting things.

[Nikitian]

Scalpels are good at extracting things.

Oooh! Since Tryrar semi-challenged me to make a competing shuttle design around Project Orion drives (it's all in the IRC logs!), I now have an opportunity to make a design with that name!

[renegadelobster]

For some reason, and maybe it's just me, but scalpel doesn't seem a...appropriate name for something propelled by an Orion drive. But maybe it's just me