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[spazyak]

Bonus points if it looks like a blunderbuss.

Bonus Bonus points if you have to manually load the bludarite shells through the barrel.

Ok microwave blunderbuss I think it will be useful against that fugua I heard we are going to fight

[Radio Controlled]

NAV, I saw you added your things to wiki as prototypes. Have those been cleared by the council/pw yet?

[NAV]

It was cleared by Piecewise. I don't even think the council was a thing when I designed it.

MYTHRIL PENETRATOR dagger
Cost: 5 tokens
Requirements: Unconventional
Range: Melee
Description: An incredibly thin vibrating needle made of mythril. It can easily pierce most armours, and does massive damage to the flesh inside. This version is 30cm long. It makes a good bayonet.

MYTHRIL PENETRATOR sword
Cost: 15 tokens
Requirements: Unconventional
Range: Melee
Description: An incredibly thin vibrating needle made of mythril. It can easily pierce most armours, and does massive damage to the flesh inside. This version is 1 meter long. It is capable of stabbing through a battlesuit and killing the pilot.

I guess a final confirmation couldn't hurt. PW, council, is this design still approved?

Spoiler: All the relevant tinker quotes. (click to show/hide)

Project name: Monorapier

Monorazor can't stab. This reduces its effective reach, prevents its use against flat planes like walls, doors, or shields, and limits its use as a bayonet.

Take the thinnest possible rod (or strand) of mythril that will remain rigid. make it 1 meter long.
Give it a handle. Attach a monorazor's vibrator in the handle.
Does this work? How well does it cut compared to a monorazor? How expensive?

(Mythril's that extremely strong, extremely expensive metal. This design only calls for extremely small amounts so it might be economically viable.)

Not a bad idea. Basically a Mythril Needle being vibrated at high speed eh?  Hmm. I think it would work, however attempting to use it against thick armor might be dangerous. After all, if it is easier to vibrate the handle then the needle then thats what will happen, so if it gets stuck into the armor then you might have a hard time retrieving it. You might honestly be good with just the spike in most occasions.

Give it a strap like a wii remote. Should solve that problem.
Estimate token cost.

design a 30cm version for roughly 1/3 the price. Ideal for bayonet use.

That would just tear the strap. Or the hand, whichever came first.  Probably better to include some sort of remote "Vibrate off" button.

Lets see, how long was this thing? 1 meter? And tapered, I assume. You're not gonna like the price. The bayonet would cost 5.

Ok, off button.
Design a 20cm version for 3 tokens.
Vr test to determine the best way of using this thing. How well can it cut? How well can it stab?
Can it get through battlesuit/milnoplate? Can it get through synthflesh?

Then send the design to Heph for prototyping if they like it. Then exit VR.

Fuck, missed you.
The best way to use it is definitely to stab. Cutting is possible but not very effective.
It sort of "sinks" through thicker stuff, taking a second or two of pressure to get in. But it pierces pretty well, even through milno and battle suit plate.
Consider it sent. Might want to alert simus of it.

More Rapier testing. Sorry PW.
1. Effects on the human body. Does the vibrating make it do any serious damage, more than just a small hole?
2. Effectiveness vs different targets. Including minimum length required to pierce the squishy bits.(Mk1, mk3, robobody, synthflesh, civic defenders, battlesuit, and a block of steel.)
3. Combat tests
Run some duels between someone with a monorazor, and someone with a same length rapier. Who generally comes out on top?
Try testing a squad of soldiers armed with gauss rifles with 20cm bayonets vs a squad armed with gauss rifles and monorazors. Close range urban combat. who wins?
Is it better than a same length monorazor against full synthflesh? against a battlesuit?

Yes. It does good damage
Against most targets the length is fine. MK1-3 are basically no length, robo body probably like 5 inches into the brain, civic defenders have no armor thickness really, battle suit is too think. Block of steel has no organs.

It's about even, with a slight advantage to the rapier because of reach.

This stays about even too, if only because everything is mostly the same. Monorazor or vibrating penetrator, as I will now and forever call it, it matters very little when the target is soft squishy man meat. Slashed or stabbed, it makes little difference; you're going to die.

Against synth and battlesuits though, it tends to work better, if only because of penetration.

[Radio Controlled]

Hey, if pw had approved before, that's fine by me. Just checking, since I didn't remember if this has gotten past the concept already. And thanks for giving the quotes, that's always nice to have.

[Nikitian]

Due to technical glitches and difficulties with the new personnel assignments and latest shipment to the Sword, the data on the prototype equipment awaiting approval was corrupted and partially lost. For Head of Engineering Simulacrus's and my own sake, please resend the designs that were previously awaiting approval.

Dr. M.Sanctor

((The reasons are twofold: first, I am really not sure what designs were awaiting the approval - hoverboard probably, what else? Mythril penentrator, Kugelblitz? And second, with the new age of weapon power dawning on us with RC's super blaster weapons, you might want to check up on the weapon and ammo prices, lest we do it ourselves and unfortunately have to decline previously sound designs because of the shifting expected power level for a given amount of tokens.))

[Shaporia]

((The reasons are twofold: first, I am really not sure what designs were awaiting the approval - hoverboard probably, what else? Mythril penentrator, Kugelblitz? And second, with the new age of weapon power dawning on us with RC's super blaster weapons, you might want to check up on the weapon and ammo prices, lest we do it ourselves and unfortunately have to decline previously sound designs because of the shifting expected power level for a given amount of tokens.))

(Zayne can't really resend it on mission, but I can give ya the designs here,

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Name:
'Hover' Board.

Stat Requirements:
+1 Dexterity

Fuel:
Liquid fuel & Oxidiser.

Speed:
100 Max, 50-60 Safe.

Range:
20 Miles or 32 Kilometers.

Description:
It's a skateboard with foot clamps attached, it has two rockets on the back, and a total of eight small rockets on the
bottom to keep it in the air. The internals of the board contain the fuel and the electronics to run it. It has a small
port on the back to allow for a laptop/robot body/other thing to connect and program it.

Cost:
4 Tokens.

Variants: Remote controlled (+1 token) and Armored, (+3 tokens, -10 max speed.) Armored can take a gauss round, it's two layers of ceramic plates.

[Nikitian]

((Sure, it's fine. Now... does it have a set hover height, or can it ascend/descend (theoretically it should be, but the controls might be tricky for that)? Can one make rolls in the air with it, and are the feet-clamps sturdy enough to support character's weight in that case? Can the variant options be bought as separate upgrades, post-purchase? Does -10 max speed refer to speed in miles per hour  or kilometers per hour? Is that a different design, or would even slight character encumbrance affect the hoverboard's speed?))

[Shaporia]

((Sure, it's fine. Now... does it have a set hover height, or can it ascend/descend (theoretically it should be, but the controls might be tricky for that)? Can one make rolls in the air with it, and are the feet-clamps sturdy enough to support character's weight in that case? Can the variant options be bought as separate upgrades, post-purchase? Does -10 max speed refer to speed in miles per hour  or kilometers per hour? Is that a different design, or would even slight character encumbrance affect the hoverboard's speed?))

It has no programming yet, so at the moment it's not set, more of just you being able to adjust the bottom thrusters power, you turn by using your body weight, so likely, Feet clamps, yes. Post purchase should be possible with modification I believe. Miles per hour, or whatever the MkIII uses to measure. I have the armored, remote, and normal in different .txt files, I can post those once I get home. And it can't support an exoskeleton's weight without modification. Only armored gets the penalty to speed. Oh, and all controls are built into the feet.

Basically, I haven't installed any programs to help control since Zayne doesn't have the Aux, I plan to get it some later. I'll double check these things with piecewise on IRC later.

[Parisbre56]

I just think that if that thing can fly up and down quickly, then it should use aux, not dex. Mostly for balance, since all the equipment that we have now that can be used to fly reliably uses aux. If it can move up or down but does so slowly or if it is simply used to move forward quickly and attach ones self to vehicles then I'm fine with it using dex.

[Shaporia]

I just think that if that thing can fly up and down quickly, then it should use aux, not dex. Mostly for balance, since all the equipment that we have now that can be used to fly reliably uses aux. If it can move up or down but does so slowly or if it is simply used to move forward quickly and attach ones self to vehicles then I'm fine with it using dex.

The thing is, according to piecewise, as long as you're not doing anything technical with it, it's not aux (I think?) And aswell, most of those use gimbals(?). I think that's where the aux comes from. This is basically you controlling some throttles and throwing your weight around. No gimbals.

[Parisbre56]

True, but you are still operating a complex vehicle, which is exactly what aux is for. It's not a simple skateboard. Otherwise, one could say that driving a motorcycle is just like driving a bicycle, therefore there should be no aux rolls.

Edit: Besides, I'm not saying it has to be aux (even though I think it should be aux), I'm just saying it has to be aux if it can be used to quickly change your altitude. If it's just like a normal skateboard but with rockets instead of wheels (and maybe the ability to slowly hover up or down) then I'd grudgingly accept it using dex.

[Sean Mirrsen]

It doesn't use Aux because it's not a complex vehicle. It's a simple vehicle, with basically one built-in control. It's steered by shifting your body around.

[Parisbre56]

Okay then. You lean forwards and backwards for speed, left and right for turning and that's it? Because that's what I've been saying, that if it's just that, then Dex is acceptable (even though I think it should still be Aux). If it's more complex than that, it's Aux.

[Shaporia]

Okay then. You lean forwards and backwards for speed, left and right for turning and that's it? Because that's what I've been saying, that if it's just that, then Dex is acceptable (even though I think it should still be Aux). If it's more complex than that, it's Aux.

It's pressing your feet down to accelerate, leaning forward is tilting the nose down, back up, ect. It's basically how fast the user can react and change is the reason for dex. I asked piecewise 2-3 times if there would be an aux requirement, but he said just dex. Aux if it's something complicated like, cutting only one engine to spin around or something.

Edit: Sorry if I sound curt or something, typing this on a tablet.

[Unholy_Pariah]

dex makes most sense, until you want to midofy its standard thrust ratios or control it remotely.