18:49 <Radio_Controlled>: Hey pw, those bluerad blaster designs, when should we work on that?
18:49 <Radio_Controlled>: I'm good with waiting personally.
18:50 <Radio_Controlled>: Then again, I almost never catch you on irc.
18:50 <Piecewise>: what do we need to do with it?
18:50 <Radio_Controlled>: Mostly decide particulars.
18:51 <Radio_Controlled>: You remember the core idea?
18:51 <Shaporia>: Oh, Piecewise, how do auto-manips work? Do they need to be set in the factory, or can they be modified elsewhere?
18:51 <Piecewise>: Remind me
18:51 <Piecewise>: Set in the factory
18:51 <Shaporia>: Ah, alright.
18:51 <SeanMirrsen>: Bluerad shard-powered pulsed lasers.
18:51 <Radio_Controlled>: That.
18:52 <Radio_Controlled>: Pulse because higher power.
18:52 <Piecewise>: ok
18:52 <Radio_Controlled>: (See wikipedia link from before)
18:52 <Piecewise>: so just a normal laser but uses blue rad as the battery?
18:52 <Radio_Controlled>: So, let's start at the bottom and work up, then.
18:53 <Radio_Controlled>: A blueshard, once spent. How does it look?
18:53 <Radio_Controlled>: Is it usable in any way, such as for reverse engineering by UWM?
18:55 <Piecewise>: Blueshards don't look like anything when they're out of energy
18:55 <Piecewise>: grayish powder
18:55 <Radio_Controlled>: So no need to destroy them when spent?
18:55 <Piecewise>: yep
18:56 <Radio_Controlled>: Secondly, if we added a function that forces the weapon to use all the energy at once, at the expense of melting the insides, does that increase cost?
18:56 <Shaporia>: Is that the 'ohgodkillitnow' function?
18:57 <Piecewise>: Nah, no increased cost
18:57 <Radio_Controlled>: Basically.
18:57 <Radio_Controlled>: Kay then.
18:57 <SeanMirrsen>: Okay, remembered one.
18:57 <SeanMirrsen>: Hammerpedoes.
18:57 <Radio_Controlled>: First then, a sidearm using shard ammo.
18:57 <SeanMirrsen>: Hammer shells equipped with powerful engines, sensors, a basic AI, and left around a jump point.
18:57 <Piecewise>: That fires the shards or uses them as a battery
18:57 <Radio_Controlled>: You said it could have laser rifle power, is reusable. Is 10 shots per shard doable?
18:58 <Radio_Controlled>: Uses blueshards as battery.
18:58 <SeanMirrsen>: Okay, I'll let Radio have his round first.
18:58 <Radio_Controlled>: @Sean: kamikaze ships?
18:58 <Radio_Controlled>: Sorry Sean.
18:58 <SeanMirrsen>: Yes, the Hammer shells without Hammer cannons.
18:59 <Radio_Controlled>: Hammer shell is just a solid block I think.
18:59 <Shaporia>: Would it be possible to give the laser eye modification the ability to use the blueshards?
18:59 <Piecewise>: Sidearm laser pistol using a small bluerad shard for a battery, which has the power of a laser rifle eh?
19:00 <Radio_Controlled>: You said before that could work, yes.
19:00 <Radio_Controlled>: Still the case?
19:00 <Piecewise>: Yep
19:00 <Piecewise>: sounds fine
19:00 <Radio_Controlled>: How many tokens, ballparked?
19:01 <Radio_Controlled>: ((I'll also put it before council once we're done here, with logs, later on. in case you can't give a price, just let them do it.))
19:01 <Piecewise>: lets say 1 and 1 for a new crystal magazine
19:02 <Radio_Controlled>: Coolio. And if you shot a fully charged shard at once, what power are we speaking then?
19:02 <Radio_Controlled>: Pistol would be kaput of course, totally unusable.
19:03 <SeanMirrsen>: I'd say slightly under ten times that of the normal shot.
19:03 <SeanMirrsen>: However many shots you have left, that much more damage you do, proportionally reduced for heating.
19:04 <Radio_Controlled>: Well yeah, but what does '10 times a laser rifle' come down to?
19:04 <Radio_Controlled>: Half a cutting laser or so? Full cutting laser?
19:04 <Radio_Controlled>: Very rough estimates will do, of course.
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19:05 <Piecewise>: It would be quite powerful
19:05 <SeanMirrsen>: I don't recall how much more powerful a cutting laser is versus a laser rifle.
19:05 <Piecewise>: probably cutting laser level
19:06 <Shaporia>: Cutting laser cuts through buildings easily, right?
19:06 <Piecewise>: Depends on the building
19:06 <Shaporia>: Concrete and rebar?
19:06 <SeanMirrsen>: So, one cutting laser-ish level shot per token. Neat.
19:06 <SeanMirrsen>: Though this is a near-instantaneous pulse, so no cutting.
19:06 <Piecewise>: It will cut through that pretty well
19:07 <Radio_Controlled>: Ok, thanks. Shall we move on to next item (same idea, but rifle sized) or should Sean get a turn?
19:07 <SeanMirrsen>: Just a very molten hole.
19:07 <Radio_Controlled>: Also, hey tryar.
19:07 <Shaporia>: Heya tyrar.
19:07 <SeanMirrsen>: Basically a handheld bomb-pumped laser.
19:08 <Radio_Controlled>: And afterwards you have a fist of rapidly cooling metals.
19:08 <Shaporia>: Are bluerad crystals able to absorb energy?
19:08 <Radio_Controlled>: To punch survivors.
19:08 <tryrar>: heya
19:08 <Radio_Controlled>: No shap, only take in energy upon creation.
19:08 <tryrar>: I'm going to be focusing mainly on the Valkyrie and a couple other ideas I had
19:08 <Radio_Controlled>: not rechargeable.
19:09 <Shaporia>: So, a laser coming in contact with a crystal'll detonate it or just melt it?
19:09 <Piecewise>: So this rifle is the same thing, just bigger and more powerful right?
19:09 <tryrar>: So RC, if I front most of the money for a modded shuttle, and then donate it to the teamfund, would you maybe pick up the rest(with maybe a little help from donations?)
19:09 <Radio_Controlled>: Yep. A rifle (bigger than a laser rifle probably, not as big as a gauss rifle) with the same features.
19:09 <Radio_Controlled>: What shuttle try?
19:10 <tryrar>: Well,it's the assault drop shuttle I've been going on about the last couple days, theValkyrie
19:10 <Piecewise>: 10 shots, 4-5 tokens, 2 token battery, about half or a bit more as powerful as a cutting laser
19:11 <Radio_Controlled>: What decides if it's half or a bit more? 4 token if former, 5 token if latter?
19:12 <SeanMirrsen>: Though, again, this is near-instant pulses. I think the results will be different from a cutting laser.
19:12 <SeanMirrsen>: I think that should be established.
19:12 <Radio_Controlled>: Indeed. I'm looking for weapons wieldable by regular people mostly.
19:13 <Piecewise>: It's a rough estimate radio
19:13 <SeanMirrsen>: It doesn't cut or pierce, it sort of explosively burns.
19:13 <Radio_Controlled>: Got lots of very big deathpeni already.
19:13 <Radio_Controlled>: Good enough pw.
19:53 <Radio_Controlled>: PW, Blueshard laserpen, yay or nay?
19:53 <Radio_Controlled>: For Black ops mostly.
19:53 <Shaporia>: Trying to figure out something cheap, re-usable, and effective.
19:53 <Piecewise>: how big and how strong?
19:54 <Radio_Controlled>: Looks like a regular pen. One shot, not reloadable.
19:54 <Radio_Controlled>: Assasination tool.
19:54 <Piecewise>: How powerful?
19:54 <tryrar>: PW, what would be the general effect on a battlesuit for a rail-launched 200mm missile with a HEAT warhead(about the size of an AGM-114 Hellfire)
19:55 <SeanMirrsen>: That's what he'd like to know.
19:55 <Radio_Controlled>: Yeah. i guess powerful enough to reliably kill an unarmored man at close range?
19:57 <Piecewise>: Good enough
19:57 <Piecewise>: 1 token, single use, pen size
19:58 <Piecewise>: and try, I have no idea
20:22 <Radio_Controlled>: PW, what about that laser bazooka? I promise it's the last for tonight.
20:22 <Piecewise>: Laser bazooka
20:22 <Piecewise>: must have missed that
20:22 <Shaporia>: Maybe each thumb, for lower cost.
20:23 <Radio_Controlled>: I'll copypaste it, kay?
20:23 <Shaporia>: Hey, Caellath, would a concealed Garrote be feasible for field use in Blops?
20:23 <Radio_Controlled>: Now, imagine what would basically be a 'laser bazooka'. Each shard gives 1 shot. Gun itself is reusable. To deal with the heat, each piece of ‘ammo’ consists of 1 shard, and 1 block of heat-absorbant material. After firing, as much of the heat as possible is dumped into that block, then ejected from the back.
20:24 <Radio_Controlled>: Block is not reusable, might even deform or melt, as long as it can take away a lot of the heat. Whole thing about as big as a modern-day bazooka/rpg launcher.
20:25 <Radio_Controlled>: Aiming for something that can disable a battlesuit, if that's realistic?
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20:26 <Caellath_>: @Shaporia: probably.
20:27 <Caellath_>: I'm trying to train sharkmist usage so that Milno becomes a veritable human weapon.
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20:27 <Radio_Controlled>: Like a Xan but less prone to disaster.
20:27 <Piecewise>: So basically like the other blue rad stuff, but the ohgodkillit thing every time?
20:28 <Radio_Controlled>: Yes, they all share the same design idea.
20:28 <Piecewise>: Sounds fine to me
20:28 <Radio_Controlled>: Would it need a exoskeleton, or would it be usable by regular human?
20:29 <Piecewise>: Depends
20:29 <SeanMirrsen>: Considering how heavy a PEW has to be with the cooling system...
20:29 <Piecewise>: Probably need an exoskeleton
20:29 <Radio_Controlled>: Seems fair.
20:29 <Shaporia>: Is Synthflesh stronger than an exoskeleton, by the way?
20:29 <Radio_Controlled>: Guessing 8-10 tokens, 2-3 per shot?
20:29 <Radio_Controlled>: And yes shap.
20:29 <Shaporia>: Ah, alright.
20:30 <Radio_Controlled>: human>robot>exo>synth>battlesuit>assaultsuit>avatar
20:30 <Piecewise>: 10, 3 per shot. You want it to be more superpowered laser or heavy impact, less penetration?
20:31 <Radio_Controlled>: Dunno, what would the real difference be game-wise?
20:31 <Shaporia>: Has anybody tried a battlesuit with most of it replaced with synthflesh? Basically a smaller Avatar?
20:31 <Radio_Controlled>: I think first would be better.
20:31 <Radio_Controlled>: And no shap, cause there's little wiggle room between their price I think.
20:32 <Radio_Controlled>: Might as well go for full avatar i think.
20:33 <Radio_Controlled>: I think more penetration will be better for its bazooka/anti armor role.
20:33 <Piecewise>: alright
20:33 <SeanMirrsen>: The PEW is 12 token, 3 per 2 shots.
20:33 <SeanMirrsen>: Kind of overlaps.
20:33 <Caellath>: HEP is heavy impact less penetration.
20:33 <Caellath>: Cutting laser is more penetration, less impact.
20:33 <Caellath>: For example's sake.
20:33 <Radio_Controlled>: Much lighter though.
20:33 <SeanMirrsen>: Though if it's less penetration, I guess it's different enough.
20:33 <Shaporia>: What would happen if we exchanged a cutting laser's battery for some bluerad?
20:34 <Radio_Controlled>: Longer lifetime shap.
20:34 <SeanMirrsen>: More of an explosive blast of force, not a penetrating energy beam.
20:34 <Radio_Controlled>: But higher price maybe.
20:34 <Radio_Controlled>: @sean: PEw is blast right?
20:35 <Radio_Controlled>: You are right though, there might be a bit too much overlap. Hmm.
20:35 <SeanMirrsen>: PEW is a high-penetration energy beam.
20:35 <SeanMirrsen>: And quite a lot of kinetic force.
20:35 <SeanMirrsen>: An actual blaster cannon would be sufficiently different.
20:36 <SeanMirrsen>: It'll pretty much create an explosion at the target point.
20:36 <Radio_Controlled>: This one would have deeper penetration, then.
20:36 <SeanMirrsen>: The laser bazooka is an instant shot though, isn't it? It wouldn't have deeper penetration, would it?
20:37 <Shaporia>: Piecewise, would a foot modification that allowed you to set down small anti-personal mines in the feet be viable and useful?
20:37 <SeanMirrsen>: Can't vaporize matter deeper in if the matter up front absorbs the energy.
20:37 <Radio_Controlled>: Don't know how long the shot lasts.
20:37 <Piecewise>: Questionable Shap
20:37 <Radio_Controlled>: But it's designed for penetration, Pw gave the choice.
20:37 <Piecewise>: maybe
20:37 <Piecewise>: but very situational
20:38 <Shaporia>: Yeah.
20:38 <SeanMirrsen>: The penetration is pretty much the whole thing about the PEW. It's in the damn name.
20:38 <Shaporia>: Mainly for when you're retreating, and against flesh oppenents.
20:38 <Radio_Controlled>: Well, that and Hep shot. And infinite ammo.
20:38 <Radio_Controlled>: And spess magicks.
20:39 <Caellath>: Radio and Sean duke it out for the right of having your compensator produced.
20:39 <Caellath>: Shiv fight in a dark room.
20:39 <Radio_Controlled>: We're trying not to create superfluous stuff. Though I can do the shiv fight.
20:39 <Caellath>: I'll be taking bets.
20:39 <Radio_Controlled>: Avatar sized shiv?
20:40 <Caellath>: No, small shiv.
20:40 <Caellath>: Hold it between your fat fingers.
20:41 <Radio_Controlled>: I'm just big boned!
20:43 <Shaporia>: What would the stat requirments for the robo-body garrote be piecewise?
20:43 <Radio_Controlled>: +2 fate
20:44 <Comrade_P>: How high is expected death rate for M20? Because I got a bad feeling about being less than a mosquito to a planet-wide sentient fungus. Even though I'm now a full-metal mosquito.
20:44 <AoshimaMichio>: possibly 100%, comrade
20:44 <Shaporia>: I'm tempted to opt-out but I hear that the missions are only going to get harder.
20:45 <Radio_Controlled>: As I said before, I get a very big starship troopers vibe.
20:45 <Comrade_P>: Welp, ave, Steve, mortituri te salutant.
20:45 <SeanMirrsen>: Okay, so maybe we do a rundown of PEW versus laser bazooka?
20:45 <SeanMirrsen>: What each does, etc.
20:45 <Radio_Controlled>: The movie. REmember Klendathu drop?
20:45 <Radio_Controlled>: Ok sean.
20:45 <SeanMirrsen>: So we can differentiate.
20:46 <Radio_Controlled>: PEW is more versatile, but lower fire rate.
20:46 <Radio_Controlled>: Cheaper ammo, but slightly more expensive upfront.
20:47 <Radio_Controlled>: Has special 'kinetic' properties.
20:47 <Radio_Controlled>: Has overcharge option.
20:48 <SeanMirrsen>: Laser bazooka is marginally lighter, fires as fast as you can load it, but expensive ammo.
20:48 <Piecewise>: Well, I assume you can write up your weapons and stick them in the armory Radio?
20:48 <Radio_Controlled>: I'd think more than 'marginally' lighter based on your previous comments.
20:49 <Radio_Controlled>: Sure pw, will ask council opinion either way.
20:49 <SeanMirrsen>: Well, both still require an exoskeleton at minimum.
20:49 <SeanMirrsen>: So yeah, I think that works.
20:49 <Radio_Controlled>: Sure, buty you said 'can't carry anything outside of that'.
20:49 <Piecewise>: Imma take a walk, I'll be back
20:49 <Piecewise>: Think of more tinkering
20:50 <Radio_Controlled>: Feel like lazerzooka might not be equally matched all things considered.
20:50 <Radio_Controlled>: Hmm.
20:50 <SeanMirrsen>: Yeah, yeah. Can't carry "much" beside that.
20:50 <Caellath>: Won't Radio need to run the weapon through Hep first?
20:50 <Radio_Controlled>: Through Hep? You mean Pyro?
20:50 <Radio_Controlled>: Or you mean prototype stage?
20:50 <Caellath>: You know, to avoid stepping on toes.
20:51 <Shaporia>: I'd assume the Garrote would use the stat requirement Strength +1?
20:51 <Radio_Controlled>: Yeah, wasn't gonna go for special treatment Cael.
20:51 <Radio_Controlled>: I know better than that.
20:51 <Caellath>: The garrote is less about strength and more about surprise and choking the life outta someone.
20:51 <Radio_Controlled>: It's all very basic though, no difficult designs.
20:52 <Radio_Controlled>: I'd think +1 uncon maybe?
20:52 <SeanMirrsen>: The PEW is a mainline support weapon. Especially with the cooling system option for battlesuits, it's going to be much cheaper in the long run. The blaster cannon is raw DPS, for when you need to kill lots of stuff very dead.
20:52 <Caellath>: Probably Uncon, yeah.
20:52 <Radio_Controlled>: 3 token a shot is -really- pricey though, compared.
20:52 <Shaporia>: So, the description is this,
20:52 <SeanMirrsen>: Twice as costly.
20:52 <Shaporia>: A small wire spool embedded inside the hand which is attached to a point ob the thumb. The thumb is removeable and the wire can be retracted, extended, or locked in place.
20:53 <SeanMirrsen>: PEW is 3 token per 2 shots with coldplates.
20:53 <Radio_Controlled>: Yeah, but can't be used sans ammo either.
20:53 <SeanMirrsen>: Yeah.
20:54 <Radio_Controlled>: Maybe if the bazooka had the option to lower power, and thus have multiple shots.
20:54 <SeanMirrsen>: It really boils down to usability. The PEW you really won't fire more than once per engagement.
20:54 <SeanMirrsen>: And yeah, you should probably do that.
20:54 <SeanMirrsen>: I mean, all other weapons of the line do that.
20:55 <SeanMirrsen>: Weaker shot at a tenth of power, and one big shot.
20:55 <SeanMirrsen>: Difference being, this one doesn't melt to slag.
21:27 <Radio_Controlled>: For the laserzooka, would it be possible to allow lower powered shots of a sort? Otherwise it might be eclipsed by the PEW too much.
21:27 <Illgeo_el_yakoff>: Can I buy it without selling soul to doc?
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21:27 <Radio_Controlled>: Like, can do the full powered thing, or can fire 5-10 lower power shots.
21:28 <Radio_Controlled>: for the full power one, you'd still need the coolant block.
21:28 <Piecewise>: You could have lower powered shots for cheaper crystals
21:28 <Piecewise>: and illgeo...probably not. At least not renen level
21:29 <Illgeo_el_yakoff>: Yeah, weakened one
21:29 <Illgeo_el_yakoff>: Can I?
21:29 <Radio_Controlled>: Idea is to use same crystal, but lower power shots. Say, 5 shots or so.
21:33 <Piecewise>: Radio; that could work
21:33 <Piecewise>: 1 big shot or a few smaller ones
21:33 <Radio_Controlled>: Kay then, thanks.
21:51 <Radio_Controlled>: PIECEWISE QUESTION: There are dozens of worlds we can reach from the Hep FTL point, right? Would it be possible for the UWM to block of a few strategic/central ones and create a bloccade of sorts?
21:51 <Shaporia>: PIECEWISE QUESTION: Would a MK2 style iris to sever the garrote cord raise cost?
21:52 <Shaporia>: Mine can go second if you want.
21:52 <Piecewise>: Nothing shap
21:52 <Illgeo_el_yakoff>: Well, more of doing something.
21:52 <Radio_Controlled>: Illgeo, you want an in-game way of earning tokens?
21:52 <Piecewise>: Radio Maybe, but it would be tough
21:53 <Piecewise>: I dunno what I could have you do that wouldn't be boring illgeo
21:53 <Radio_Controlled>: Why exactly, with a navy as big as theirs?
21:53 <Caellath>: Illgeo, try the Wiki jobs.
21:53 <Caellath>: You get tokens, you fill the wiki with useful info. Win/win.
21:54 <Radio_Controlled>: Or is the amount of jump points to defend simply too big?
21:54 <Illgeo_el_yakoff>: No, just don't know what to while mission is going
21:54 <Caellath>: IC, that can be fluffed as Steve giving you useless stuff for your character to do to keep you out of his digital hair.
21:54 <Radio_Controlled>: Ill, could do training in VR.
21:54 <Radio_Controlled>: Find ways to defeat an arbiter.
21:54 <Piecewise>: It would be fairly hard for them to do it without you noticing them
21:55 <Radio_Controlled>: @pw: sure, but it would cut off our supplies and new tech without having to invade Hep.
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21:55 <Radio_Controlled>: And if we have to detour around it everytime, we'd lose litteral decades.
21:55 <Piecewise>: They'll be a bit distracted for the moment
21:55 <Caellath>: Piecewise just said "without you noticing them".
21:56 <Caellath>: Meaning they can try but that'd give ARM time for a response, I suppose.
21:56 <Radio_Controlled>: Cael, even if we notice it, that doesn't mean we can stop it.
21:56 <Radio_Controlled>: We don't have a big navy yet, and defending FTL point is much easier than attacking it.
21:56 <Caellath>: Well, the UWM does seem like a weaker Imperium.
21:57 <Caellath>: Hostile aliens all around and now a rebellion in its belly.
21:57 <Radio_Controlled>: So even if they can't break through Hep, they don't have to.
21:57 <Caellath>: It isn't like they don't have other problems to tend to.
21:57 <Radio_Controlled>: True enough. Still, I'm trying to beat them to the punch.
21:57 <Caellath>: Yeah.
21:57 <Radio_Controlled>: Such as setting up our own remote defenses at key points first.
21:58 <Caellath>: @Piecewise: have they noticed Steve is the head of the rebellion?
21:58 <Caellath>: I thought Hep would have handled that already.
21:58 <Radio_Controlled>: Nope. We hardly have any ships yet.
21:58 <Piecewise>: Nah
21:59 <Radio_Controlled>: We don't even have a sensor net around Hep yet.
21:59 <Caellath>: I suppose Steve's still playing double agent then.
21:59 <Radio_Controlled>: That's why I've been pestering them about it.
21:59 <AoshimaMichio>: Caellath: if they even know Steve is actually something
22:00 <Caellath>: They created Steve, they know Steve is something.
22:01 <Caellath>: They just don't know Steve is leading ARM, apparently.
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