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[Tavik Toth]

Just out of curiosity, what are the specs on one of these "double edge" armor shrikes?

How tall are they? How do those back blades work? How much would a small A.S. strike team affect the difficulty slider?

Here you go.

Work in progress.

"Halberd"Rapid Battle Unit
Cost: 15 tokens. 5 for individual weapons.
Armour: Electro Reactive Armour
Height: Around 16 ft (how many meters is that?) tall for most configurations.
Weapons: 1 Coilgun or equivalent rapid fire weapon along with a choice of either a under barrel rocket launcher or a bayonet type weapon. 1 mech scale dagger or sword type weapon for melee. 2x shoulder blades as well. 1 optional wrist mounted shield made of battle suit plate.

Movement: Roller blade style system mounted on feet to allow for quick movement across most surfaces with ability to be stowed inside the feet to allow for movement on rougher surfaces such as a wreckage strewn fields or mountains.
Cargo: 1 Pilot and/or AI controlled.
Support: Auto repair kit.

Operation: This configuration is designed to rapidly engage enemy forces while being supported by other Halberds and other friendly units including infantry and air support. And if equipped with a under barrel rocket launcher, it can engage enemy armour units if it has to.

Advantages: Speed, adaptability and same basic parts used in all configuration.
Disadvantages: not as heavily armoured as units such as a battlesuit.

Spoiler: Appearance of Standard config (With the pilot begin enclosed of course) (click to show/hide)

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[PyroDesu]

Hey Tavik, did I miss PW telling you how much that thing would cost? Or did you just write that in as an assumption?

Also, that thing is just slightly shorter than an Avatar of War. As in, about half a foot. Another disadvantage - giant target profile.

[Tavik Toth]

Hey Tavik, did I miss PW telling you how much that thing would cost? Or did you just write that in as an assumption?

Also, that thing is slightly taller than an Avatar of War.

Yeah, that was PWs estimate.

And I might make it a bit smaller.

[PyroDesu]

Hey Tavik, did I miss PW telling you how much that thing would cost? Or did you just write that in as an assumption?

Also, that thing is slightly taller than an Avatar of War.

Yeah, that was PWs estimate.

And I might make it a bit smaller.

All right. No offence, but seeing a cost put in like that looked odd, and I missed the post where he said that.

Any critique of the design from me will come up if/when you send it off to Hephaestus.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Hey Tavik, did I miss PW telling you how much that thing would cost? Or did you just write that in as an assumption?

Also, that thing is slightly taller than an Avatar of War.

Yeah, that was PWs estimate.

And I might make it a bit smaller.

All right. No offence, but seeing a cost put in like that looked odd, and I missed the post where he said that.

Any critique of the design from me will come up if/when you send it off to Hephaestus.

The Halberd is, as far as I see, mostly the logical continuation of the Mobility Battlesuit variant. Even less armor, even more speed, focus on just the basic weaponry. Result is lower cost, and much lower survivability unless the pilot is really good. With the scale-up to Avatar size, I can readily see the cost being low - it's just a big robot, not synthflesh or even that heavily armed and armored. It has most of the drawbacks of the Avatar, with almost none of the benefits. 15 token might be too little though - PW must have missed the size. About the same as a regular Battlesuit might be fine. 15 token would be alright if it were Battlesuit sized, because it's barely an upgrade over the Mk3 at that point.

[PyroDesu]

I'd peg it at somewhat smaller than a normal battlesuit for that cost, which would also make one or two points of mine moot. Call it... 2 and a half meters, maybe. Still 8 foot, roughly, compared to a battlesuit's near 10 and a MkIII's probably ~6. And an Avatar's roughly 16. And it actually loses several big features of the MkIII - so the 2-token gap is fine.

Oh, and Tavik - that armour's going to be not very good. It can take 1 decent shot, and then it'll take time to build up a power differential again - and that's if the shot didn't break through the outer plate (like it's supposed to) in such a way that apart of the plate comes close enough to the inner plate to not let it build a charge. If that happens, you've got tinfoil for armour.

[Tavik Toth]

I'd peg it at somewhat smaller than a normal battlesuit for that cost, which would also make one or two points of mine moot. Call it... 2 and a half meters, maybe. Still 8 foot, roughly, compared to a battlesuit's near 10 and a MkIII's probably ~6. And an Avatar's roughly 16. And it actually loses several big features of the MkIII - so the 2-token gap is fine.

Oh, and Tavik - that armour's going to be not very good. It can take 1 decent shot, and then it'll take time to build up a power differential again - and that's if the shot didn't break through the outer plate (like it's supposed to) in such a way that apart of the plate comes close enough to the inner plate to not let it build a charge. If that happens, you've got tinfoil for armour.

What armour do you suggest?

[PyroDesu]

Right now, your best bet is likely thinned battlesuit plate - PW's basically made a miracle material of that, I can attest (I did some stuff involving armour quite a long time ago - battlesuit plate is simply absurdly light for the protection it gives, compared to normal armour materials).

While the electroreactive armour is a nice idea, it's also wise to take a page from the people who design vehicles with reactive armours and not let it be the only armour. Any kind of active armour is nice, whether explosive, electric, or whatever - but if someone gets a shell, rocket, laser, whatever, in where the reactive armour isn't - whether it's blown off or recharging, you want passive armour there to take the hit. The same argument could be applied to any kind of shield - possible in the ER universe by automanipulator.

[Tavik Toth]

Right now, your best bet is likely thinned battlesuit plate - PW's basically made a miracle material of that, I can attest (I did some stuff involving armour quite a long time ago - battlesuit plate is simply absurdly light for the protection it gives, compared to normal armour materials).

While the electroreactive armour is a nice idea, it's also wise to take a page from the people who design vehicles with reactive armours and not let it be the only armour. Any kind of active armour is nice, whether explosive, electric, or whatever - but if someone gets a shell, rocket, laser, whatever, in where the reactive armour isn't - whether it's blown off or recharging, you want passive armour there to take the hit. The same argument could be applied to any kind of shield - possible in the ER universe by automanipulator.

Use both?

[Unholy_Pariah]

Hmmm, i wonder how we could go about using the pill machine to create a 16 foot tall critter with a specialised exoskeleton that we could armor the halberd with.

And as for the size to cost ratio of the mech, i see no problem with it being 16 feet tall.
Whilst larger than the battlesuit it lacks a number of the systems included in its price such as the thick battleplate armor, claymore defence systems, the electrical conduction defense system, kinetic amps built into the fists and whatever else ive missed or forgotten.

[Parisbre56]

If I remember correctly, every battlesuit has different specials. They don't all come with kinetic amps or rocket pods. Someone might want to research that sometime.

[Unholy_Pariah]

Yeah, the differences between the variants of synthflesh bodies, battlesuits and avatars is something i really wanted to see the wiki updated with but never had all the information to do so.

I was planning on asking piecewise about all the different variants of battlesuit when i went to buy one and get a comprehensive list of which variant has what but now im leaning towards buying a synthflesh body so that i can fit through doors, perhaps ill be able to update that page at least.

[PyroDesu]

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Use both?

You can if you want, but that's weight added rather than replaced. Depends on how heavy you're willing to let the thing be.

[Tavik Toth]

Changed the armour choices..

"Halberd"Rapid Battle Unit
Cost: 15 tokens. 5 for individual weapons.
Armour: Electro Reactive Armour and/or Thinned Battle suit plate
Height: Around 16 ft (how many meters is that?) tall for most configurations.
Weapons: 1 Coilgun or equivalent rapid fire weapon along with a choice of either a under barrel rocket launcher or a bayonet type weapon. 1 mech scale dagger or sword type weapon for melee. 2x shoulder blades as well. 1 optional wrist mounted shield made of battle suit plate.

Movement: Roller blade style system mounted on feet to allow for quick movement across most surfaces with ability to be stowed inside the feet to allow for movement on rougher surfaces such as a wreckage strewn fields or mountains.
Cargo: 1 Pilot and/or AI controlled.
Support: Auto repair kit.

Operation: This configuration is designed to rapidly engage enemy forces while being supported by other Halberds and other friendly units including infantry and air support. And if equipped with a under barrel rocket launcher, it can engage enemy armour units if it has to.

Advantages: Speed, adaptability and same basic parts used in all configuration.
Disadvantages: not as heavily armoured as units such as a battlesuit.

Spoiler: Appearance of Standard config (With the pilot begin enclosed of course) (click to show/hide)


Also, I'm more  than willing to test it out myself.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Hmmm, i wonder how we could go about using the pill machine to create a 16 foot tall critter with a specialised exoskeleton that we could armor the halberd with.

First, we would need to make a 16-foot-tall...not really a homunculus when it isn't little anymore, but you know what I mean. Then, we would need to figure out what pills would give it an exoskeleton and make it more useful than conventionally-manufactured materials.