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Berossus

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Why are my kings always vampires?
« on: February 01, 2014, 05:56:45 pm »

So im a mountainhome, yay, go me!

I prepared for this, i have a masterfully engraved throne room with an artefact statue and bells and whistles, and im assigning it now to...the... king-vampire?!
Dude has 19531 kills. Nineteen Thousand Five Hundred Thirty-One.

I love how it says 30 dwarves here, 20 dwarves there, 1900 elves over here, 15 dwarves in some town, 1200 elves in another...

I seriously dont know if this is the most awesome motherdriller ive ever seen, or if i should let him inspect the magma pits a bit closer...

(What happens if you wall-in a king? Diplomacy and stuff i mean...)
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My son, many speak of the honor in war.
My preferred method is to wait until their back is turned, then impale them with a pike held by someone else.
Preferrably from a distance.

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Re: Why are my kings always vampires?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2014, 06:13:21 pm »

I seem to have a related problem. In my current world, out of 3 dwarven civs I've embarked with so far, all three of them had vampire kings/queens. I have avoided becoming the Mountainhome for now, but still, looks like being some kind of evil bloodsucker is a requirement for getting the spotlight in dwarven (and not) politics.
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Berossus

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Re: Why are my kings always vampires?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2014, 08:09:41 pm »

Hm, the baron meets with the human (vampire) diplomat, so appearently i can wall-in my (vampire) king...
Did i mention its the year 555?
And hes got 19.kk kills already?

Did i mention the first Queen of dwarfs was a necromancer?

Somethings terribly wrong on this world...

EDIT:
And of course my baron, who would have taken over the diplomacy, went insane... well, hes getting the wall nonetheless. It was hard work training that engraver up to legendary +5.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2014, 08:44:12 pm by Berossus »
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My son, many speak of the honor in war.
My preferred method is to wait until their back is turned, then impale them with a pike held by someone else.
Preferrably from a distance.

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Re: Why are my kings always vampires?
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2014, 09:06:27 pm »

looks like being some kind of evil bloodsucker is a requirement for getting the spotlight in dwarven (and not) politics.

Aren't all nobles parasites who leech away the lifeblood of their people anyway? At least these ones are a bit more honest about it.
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Re: Why are my kings always vampires?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2014, 09:51:01 pm »

Statistical probability. Right now there is no real limit to who can become king. Vampires have elevated social skills. As a king, they are immune to the usual vampire killing things. They live forever. So when there is a Vampire king, they will simply hold the position indefinitely, unless they are attacked or are in the army or something.

Toady is putting Insurrections in, so we might have a solution soon.
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Re: Why are my kings always vampires?
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2014, 10:23:29 pm »

Humans actually have it worse/better. It seems like their government goes by the 'if you kill me, you take my place' rule for their royalty. Typically, this results in the biggest, baddest intelligent megabeast in the area taking over. I've seen humans led by giants, cyclopses, minotaurs, dragons, and even night trolls ruling them for hundreds of years. Let's not forget the occasional demon as well, although those types seem to prefer ruling goblins.

To be honest, a dragon king of dwarves probably wouldn't suck too bad. I mean, It's a free dragon to sic on invaders.

Speaking of night trolls, I've seen a few ruling dwarven civilizations too. However, this is more a case of an existing monarch being converted than an outside creature taking over.
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Re: Why are my kings always vampires?
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2014, 10:26:58 pm »

Yeah, since a vampire lives forever, they will become King and then never die naturally, so while I'm not sure if they have a greater chance of becoming King (they might, I'm not sure), once they become King they won't ever leave the position (unless killed, of course, but that's unlikely).
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Re: Why are my kings always vampires?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2014, 12:56:23 am »

Has anyone had a vampire king enter their fortress with a wife in tow? Cause if that's possible I might not remove vampirism on the world I gen for the purpose of having mountainhome fort.
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Re: Why are my kings always vampires?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2014, 04:16:39 am »

Let's not forget vampires get them delicious if once-off boosts and a few hundred years is plenty of time for a dwarf to get pretty good at busting heads when the time calls for it, though of course most deaths at their hands will be them getting a midnight drink. But still the "I managed to keep our nation from imploding through several wars" platform is a pretty good one to use when faced with would-be claimants to the throne and one I'm sure the good dorfs they rule would be happy to consider. If they don't live anywhere near the king/queen that is.

Although I'll be honest, my first instinct when I saw this thread was to say "Because your worlds' monarchs are blasphemous jerks is why."

Has anyone had a vampire king enter their fortress with a wife in tow? Cause if that's possible I might not remove vampirism on the world I gen for the purpose of having mountainhome fort.

My guess is a spouse is probably among the first to get sucked dry, but anything's possible.

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Re: Why are my kings always vampires?
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2014, 01:14:17 pm »

Quote from: Splint
My guess is a spouse is probably among the first to get sucked dry

Every night, ooooh yeaaaaah......
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My son, many speak of the honor in war.
My preferred method is to wait until their back is turned, then impale them with a pike held by someone else.
Preferrably from a distance.

Berossus

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Re: Why are my kings always vampires?
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2014, 09:04:11 am »

New world, kings a vampire.
3rd time in a row.

I think ill be starting in year 1 next time.... every history over "very short" seems to have a vampking.
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My son, many speak of the honor in war.
My preferred method is to wait until their back is turned, then impale them with a pike held by someone else.
Preferrably from a distance.

TeleDwarf

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Re: Why are my kings always vampires?
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2014, 09:15:45 am »

Vampires tend to survive better. They do not become obsessed with mortality. They do not get kidnapped and abused by night creatures. They usually win in confrontations with titans and goblins. So usually once vampire becomes a king - he tend to stay there forever.

If you desperately want to have ordinary royalty - try LegendsViewer to quickly check which dwarven civ satisfies your ambitions.
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Re: Why are my kings always vampires?
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2014, 11:09:59 am »

Quote from: Splint
My guess is a spouse is probably among the first to get sucked dry

Every night, ooooh yeaaaaah......

I really should have seen that one coming.

Vampires tend to survive better. They do not become obsessed with mortality. They do not get kidnapped and abused by night creatures. They usually win in confrontations with titans and goblins. So usually once vampire becomes a king - he tend to stay there forever.

If you desperately want to have ordinary royalty - try LegendsViewer to quickly check which dwarven civ satisfies your ambitions.

Or just reduce the number of vampire curse types. That dramatically reduces the chances of vampiric royalty but still leaves it open to end up with cursed migrants. That's what I normally do (don't wanna leave that threat out entirely but don't want one showing up early and eating my soldiers or metalworkers either.)