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[misko27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpdoBwezFVA

It's just hilarious.
24 hours to dig out one effing block or pay thick wads of $$$ to actually play the game.
When they first introduced it i thought "Oh well it's cartoony so what" but i just couldn't imagine how much they could fuck up.

"You can dig out 56 of the hardest terrain for 70 quid!"

;_;

70. Seven, zero. Seventy.

I just don't even know.

[MorleyDev]

70 pounds! Seventy pounds! That's seven tenners! And that's terrible.

Seriously, F2P can work if handled right. F2P is pure evil when in the hands of a company whose idea of 'quality' is to laugh loudly in your face whilst masturbating vigorously. And that's probably the most polite way I can put it, since the alternative is just one long train of increasingly incomprehensible syllables and expletives.

[lordcooper]

I played Dungeon Keeper this morning.  It's still good.

Also, why isn't this in 'Other Games'?

[Max White]

Because that would be putting threads in the appropriate board, and when have we ever done that?
Actually you know we need 'political discussion'' and 'feelings today' sub-boards... Then there would be nothing left to talk about in general.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

70 pounds! Seventy pounds! That's seven tenners! And that's terrible.

Seriously, F2P can work if handled right. F2P is pure evil when in the hands of a company whose idea of 'quality' is to laugh loudly in your face whilst masturbating vigorously. And that's probably the most polite way I can put it, since the alternative is just one long train of increasingly incomprehensible syllables and expletives.

I completely agree with you.

[10ebbor10]

Generally, I agree with F2P as long it's merely cosmetics; I begin to worry when they get to advance faster than me; and I don't even bother when they can buy an advantage.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

I think F2P is fine even with a buyable advantage. I think it's cool, for example, to have a free account or a paid account and you get a lot more coolness out of a paid account. Or a cash shop, whatever. But what I think sucks is when content is actually blocked off from people who don't pay. If there's a +10 Sword of Swording in the game, I'm fine with it being buyable in the cash shop or have a higher drop rate for a paid account, but it should still be obtainable with a free account.

My views on grinding are probably not shared by everyone, but assume that when I say "obtainable" I mean "by playing normally in a fun way and not stomping the same content 20 times in a row".

Re: Grinding - I feel like a game should offer enough content, whether handmade, procedural, or player-made, that you do not have to do an area / boss / dungeon / raid twice.

Re: DK Mining - are we sure this game isn't trying to be an idle game where you punch some buttons on your phone and let it dig away for the afternoon?

[Funk]

£70 thats just insulting, it's properly like 5-9 pounds for both of them from GOG. 

[LeoLeonardoIII]

How much money would we have to raise to get the wife of whoever decided that price point to punch him in the face? Is that the kind of think you could do on Kickstarter? Stretch goals could be interesting ...

[10ebbor10]

Well, the logic behind it is very interesting.

More than 99%*... of the players of these social games don't pay. Average payment per person is 65 dollar. You can do the math from here

*IIRC

[LeoLeonardoIII]

So they expect that on average if everyone paid in microtransactions they would get 65 cents per player?

[10ebbor10]

Average payment per person is 65 dollars, including those who don't pay.

Ie, those who do pay, pay thousands each. Their entire system is build preying on those few people who get addicted and spend ludicrous amounts of money;

[Max White]

That... that is absurd! That is exploitation of the worst kind!
Do you have any sources for that? I know a few politicians who are trying to tackle gambling addiction, and I don't think this has pinged on their radar yet, might be worth writing a letter.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

I'm not sure who spends anything like $6,500 on a game. You hear about some kid in Korea who racks up a huge bill on his phone and the parents sue to get out of it. But that's some stupid kid who doesn't know jack shit about anything but zergs and build queues: someone 99% out of touch with the reality of money.

Then again you hear about old people scammed by telemarketers and junk mailers, people who fritter away $30k or more entering contests and winning a garage full of junk worth $100 tops.

[Levi]

That... that is absurd! That is exploitation of the worst kind!

Like pretty much every F2P game ever.  Its always been about catching the whales and mentally ill.

(I'm totally for government banning microtransactions).