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[Parisbre56]

Didn't piecewise say that you can't get better than +4? That getting a +5 would only be good in the sense that it would provide a buffer for stat loss and let you use things like the Limiter Unlock more often? So unless piecewise told you that you need to get a +5 or greater, if you really need to succeed in a roll, wouldn't it be better to get a battlestim or a limiter unlock? Because unless said roll has to happen over a very long period of time or unless piecewise said you need to have Med>=+5, I don't see why you wouldn't get something like a battlestim or a limiter unlock.

EDIT: No, wait, misread that description. Says limiter unlock only works on stats, not skills. EDIT2: Unless piecewise meant stats and skills, because he says skills in the next sentence. Yeah, he probably meant both. EDIT3: I guess I'll go ask in the Poke thread.

[Xantalos]

The way it'd inevitably be presented is as 'self-improvement so that I may better aid ARM in the times to come', if asked for a reason.

And it's true; ARM's goals coincide with Xan's in that he really doesn't want to die and ARM represents his best chance of continued existence. So he'll use his super medical skills to better help people.

Didn't piecewise say that you can't get better than +4? That getting a +5 would only be good in the sense that it would provide a buffer for stat loss and let you use things like the Limiter Unlock more often? So unless piecewise told you that you need to get a +5 or greater, if you really need to succeed in a roll, wouldn't it be better to get a battlestim or a limiter unlock? Because unless said roll has to happen over a very long period of time or unless piecewise said you need to have Med>=+5, I don't see why you wouldn't get something like a battlestim or a limiter unlock.

He's said IIRC that levels past +4 basically grant further narrower margins of failure as tasks get increasingly difficult - so the common utility of a +5 Con skill, say, wouldn't be that different from a +4, because both could make any reasonable shot you bother to ask of them. The difference is the +5 could shoot someone's left testicle off from 10 kilometres away with a better chance of success than the +4.

And I'll be using battlestims too.

[syvarris]

Paris' character calculator page says that levels above +4 are meaningless, but the original thread only specifies that +4 and on gives you Pai Mei skills.  So someone should definitely ask PW.

[Nikitian]

I stick with "levels above +4 are not needed outside of extremely narrow cases". It fits the simplified explanation on Paris's page, meets initial Piecewise's expanation and works with the levels of achievements Xan and Maurice would dare try to accomplish.

[Parisbre56]

@RC: I wrote the http://einsteinianroulette.wikia.com/wiki/Mission_24#Summary
I had already done most of the job in that PM I sent you, so I said "Why not?"
I can haz tokens?

Paris' character calculator page says that levels above +4 are meaningless, but the original thread only specifies that +4 and on gives you Pai Mei skills.  So someone should definitely ask PW.

I had asked piecewise. That's why I wrote it there. The problem is that I don't remember where I asked him. Might have been in IRC. And there's no easy way to search that. That's why I try to put citations everywhere on the wiki.

I should make a bash script to download and search all IRC logs when I have the time for it. Or just merge them in one giant text file.

[Toaster]

I see the difference between +4 and +5 as a matter of context.  In an unstressed situation, they're probably functionally identical.  It only matters when someone is trying to make that skillcheck while on fire, missing an arm, and the target is moving perpendicularly away in a gravitational anomaly.


Also, glad to see that got handled without violence. Lars has no problem putting a finger to the trigger.  A situation disarmed without violence!  Handy, that.

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In seriousness, he'd probably just kneecap someone in that situation, but an active threat he'd put down without hesitation.

[Gentlefish]

Damnit, I wish you were around before Steve came back that would have been amazing.

[IronyOwl]

This trial needs to be broadcast shipwide, alongside free shipments of popcorn. Bonus points if we leave it ambiguous as to whether this is actually happening or some kind of soap opera.

[Unholy_Pariah]

RADIO I REQUIRE YOUR ASSISTANCE FOR THINGS

I would like to sell my exosuit to the team fund so i can lend tokens to Xan and buy things.
Also so it can be loaned or rented for keeps to someone in the upcoming mission.

Hmm. Normally the team fund doesn't really buy stuff like this from people, but it isn't impossible. I'd need to know what exactly it is though (eg what rolls it uses, what stat requirements) and how much you'd be asking.

Also, Xan, if Vanessa needs tokens you could ask the fund for a loan. Might work out depending on what it's for.

Stat requirements at least 0 aux and its an armored exoskeleton+jump rockets combo.

i was hoping to get 10 tokens for it, but the whole halving the value of exoskeletons kinda fucked that plan.
Unless youd consider the armor itself worth the two token price rise between buying an exoskeleton and a jump pack from the armory for 8 and buying my set for ten.

[IronyOwl]

Oh, sure. The chat was actually a short, funny dance of truths, half-truths and omissions. I intended to post them as soon as the talk ended but since I and pw messed things up - as you will notice by the timestamps - I forgot to do so. The lurker thing does shake things all over again since the UWM is basically defeated so the next talk Milno has with the power source will have a different tone, one that I still haven't decided on.

Here it is, without all the poking and OOC of the actual conversation.

Spoiler: Power Source Talk (click to show/hide)

Milno adjusts the mechanist gauntlet, takes a deep breath and crunches a willpower battle stim before poking the alien power source he's had for a while. He then tries his best to communicate with it, unsure whether the gauntlet is even necessary but deciding something that may act as a buffer is better than risking having his brain blown away. Hello. I've felt you hate me, but before you start trying to murder me already I'd like to inform you that was I was only following orders and had no idea of my actions' consequences.

The result of your first attempt at communication is...well the thing can't speak in words you understand but you get an intense feeling of killing intent.

Like I said, it was not my fault. Could you show me a sign you're at least listening to me instead of wishing for my death? I hope the ideas and feelings are transmitting well, since I have no idea you can understand me. I don't know how the people whose building you were guarding worked, but did you have a concept of "boss" and "employee"? Well, I was like that - someone gives me orders, I obey - except I could be shocked to death by my boss. I was tossed with a bunch of other stupid people onto that planet and told to take all things that looked shiny and valuable - and that included you. Yes, I'm actually sorry after all that is over since I wouldn't like if it had been me. No, we had no idea we were murdering an entire species when that happened, and the worst part is that I think my boss wouldn't have cared. You see, we were acting under the orders of the United Worlds of Man, which is an organization keeping a stranglehold on our species. Do you get it? Dictatorship, giant government ordering people around? We were kind of slaves to them.

The power source seems...well, still quite angry but slightly less angry at you in particular.

Now, the organization that controlled me and the group of people who intruded in the building you were held is a tyrannic thing, of course. I continued trying to survive through several missions and I lived long enough to see this rebellion rise. We are now a force opposed to the UWM, the group that controlled this ship and many others. That means now I fight the same people who had me yank you out of that place. I'm not sure if you can tell I'm saying the truth since it's a mind link, but I hope you can. We are now going against them, and I'm talking to you because while I don't expect you to forgive me and become my friend or anything hopeful like that, I do believe you could at least help me and my pals fight the UWM. I will be direct: I am asking you to lend me your power so I can continue trying to destroy those assholes. If we can have at least a working relationship, then that'd be enough for me. Milno was being sincere since, well. What was he going to do otherwise?

Now, do you have anything I could do for you that doesn't end in my death? Can you communicate better if I move closer? I could do that if you don't just try to fry my brain.

The alien source doesn't seem to know how to handle all this exposition.

Milno gave the power source a few minutes to digest the information before trying to communicate with it once again. So, what do you think? Could you hate me less and help me? Perfect opportunity for some justice against those who caused that disaster. Or vengeance, however you want to call it.

The source seems...cautious. It seems to be considering what you said but still doesn't trust you very much.

Milno shrugged. Well, can't say much more. Guess I can give you some time to think things over.

I'll wait until you make up your mind or want me to explain anything. One mental ping to leave you alone for a couple of hours, two to explain something you want explained.

One ping.

In the future you think you should use some other way to interact because these "pings" are causing your brain to throb.

Got you. And we'll find another way to communicate later, this 'ping' thing doesn't seem to work too nicely. And with that, Milno left the power source to do its thinking.

So my plan for Trier, assuming whatever it was that was in that syringe doesn't end up killing him, was to try to resurrect some crystal people using the crystalline projector. If he ever gets that working, would Milno mind Trier borrowing the power source to test its effects on the crystal people?

I have nothing to provide and no particular connection to this, but Faith still feels bad about that so she'd be down for... drooling in a nearby corner, I suppose.

[Egan_BW]

Not sure if I'm in the majority or the minority, but I sure am silent, so I'd like to clear up that I am perfectly fine with glorious friend computer diving into my mind. That is all.

[Xantalos]

I'd probably be better suited adding  three token to the wiki then asking and possibly being denied. 
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So far as I can tell, when the last person to post in a thread edits their post, the thread gets the little (new) button beside it, but doesn't get bumped up to the top of the board.
So that means that this edit will probably be seen by the first person to actually click to the second page of the ER subsubboard. Hello person!

The first to quote this post in the ER ooc thread will win a fabulous prize!

hello

[TheBiggerFish]

I'm fine with Green Storm OOCly, and ICly am willing to be fine with it if it's consent-based except in clear and present danger such that there's no chance to respond or the response would be coming from an alien entity.

E:Hey!  When did that prize thing go up?!
I saw that before and it wasn't there then!

[Egan_BW]

I'd probably be better suited adding  three token to the wiki then asking and possibly being denied. 
[REDACTED]


So far as I can tell, when the last person to post in a thread edits their post, the thread gets the little (new) button beside it, but doesn't get bumped up to the top of the board.
So that means that this edit will probably be seen by the first person to actually click to the second page of the ER subsubboard. Hello person!

The first to quote this post in the ER ooc thread will win a fabulous prize!

hello

Good job, AoshimaMichio already won that.

[Ozarck]

The shock implant and Green Storm are as E_R as Steve, the HMRC, tokens, the Altered, Powersliding body surfing laser diplomacy, and insane characters doing more damage than possessed characters.

Dester is resigned to it, primarily because he felt all control of his life slip away when he encountered Henk. And also because it doesn't surprise him in the least.