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[kj1225]

Well, we could use INT for robob stuffs.

Well, PW could use his automorphica thing as a deterent. Use that amp to much? Nature hates you and you become a mutated freak.

[Radio Controlled]

Lastly, I agree that exo is overpowered, and always has been.  The one real disadvantage it has over uncon is that uncon can use non-space magic items, but now exo is actually better for that!  I bet people will still take uncon, but I bet people will specialize in General Knowledge too.  Making int required for amps won't do much, either, because none of the proposed systems *require* more than +1 int, and a manip user would still want +1 will simply because it's the single most valuable stat in the game.

We're in that tough spot where it's gonna be really damn hard to balance between nerfing to oblivion and half measures that don't reallt solve the problem. So, if you or anyone else has a reasonable idea, go ahead.

[Pancaek]

We're in that tough spot where it's gonna be really damn hard to balance between nerfing to oblivion and half measures that don't reallt solve the problem. So, if you or anyone else has a reasonable idea, go ahead.

It's simple, we buff exo even more. Then everyone will respec to exo and nobody will feel left out.

[NAV]

Piecewise has said before that amps and manips take much longer to use than a gun. Because with a gun you just point and shoot, but with an amp/manip you have to visualize the target area then solve a bunch of equations. But that doesn't actually have an in game effect because of the turn based system.

Making amp actions require multiple turns is an obviously bad solution because it slows the game down. Maybe it would be possible to give con users multiple shots per turn instead?

[Empiricist]

You could reclassify some of the EXO weapons to other categories. For example, Mindfuck gun can be changed to CON since space magic or no space magic it's used just like a gun (and I have a feeling that aiming and firing is something people good with firearms would be better at doing than space magicians). Likewise, Elemental Infuser could function as UNCON or AUX seeing as it's more of an apparatus than a supernatural force.

I mean, since EXO is meant to handle things closer to magic, like amps and pimpcanes and the above two are still just implements that happen to involve a bit of magic but which don't rely on their user to control it as much.

[piecewise]

Here's the idea.

Will and Int getting merged into "Brain" stat

Manips removed, amps solely exo now.

Amp prices increased, since they're strong and now unique to Exo.

Uncon gets new weapons, becomes something more akin to a "unconventional combat" stat, using things like close range weapons (Melee, shotguns, etc), traps, explosives, biological weapons, poisons, etc.  and stuff designed to support others (heavy mounted weapons, mortars, etc).

This way exo is more unique and Uncon isn't just exo for people afraid of getting stuff put in their heads.

[kj1225]

Piecewise has said before that amps and manips take much longer to use than a gun. Because with a gun you just point and shoot, but with an amp/manip you have to visualize the target area then solve a bunch of equations. But that doesn't actually have an in game effect because of the turn based system.

Making amp actions require multiple turns is an obviously bad solution because it slows the game down. Maybe it would be possible to give con users multiple shots per turn instead?

I like that!

[Empiricist]

Maybe it would be possible to give con users multiple shots per turn instead?

Don't they already get multiple shots? Or do you mean even more shots?

[Pancaek]

Sure, that would work I think.

[renegadelobster]

Gene mod ideas:
Backup you brain in your skin. Get shot in the head? No longer have to worry about perma-death. Doesn't prevent stat loss though. I think pyro suggested this one first

Combat form. Die unexpectedly? With sharkmist derived microbes they quickly heal any damage and build/grow a smaller, armored combat form from your remains that explodes out of you when it's ready. Doesn't work if you take a bullet/shrapnel through your brain. Doesn't prevent stat loss

[Empiricist]

So under this new system, would things still be classified under function (whether it's used like a gun, used like a non-gun weapon or used like a supernatural force) or will it now be by form (whether it uses space magic, whether it uses biological agents, etc)?

Combat form. Die unexpectedly? With sharkmist derived microbes they quickly heal any damage and build/grow a smaller, armored combat form from your remains that explodes out of you when it's ready. Doesn't work if you take a bullet/shrapnel through your brain. Doesn't prevent stat loss

Sharkmist symbiosis is rather unreliable in terms of mass production if I recall. Success rates are relatively low for giving people it.

[Kriellya]

Here's the idea.

Will and Int getting merged into "Brain" stat

Manips removed, amps solely exo now.

Amp prices increased, since they're strong and now unique to Exo.

Uncon gets new weapons, becomes something more akin to a "unconventional combat" stat, using things like close range weapons (Melee, shotguns, etc), traps, explosives, biological weapons, poisons, etc.  and stuff designed to support others (heavy mounted weapons, mortars, etc).

This way exo is more unique and Uncon isn't just exo for people afraid of getting stuff put in their heads.

I could get behind this... makes my build slightly better, though I'm still not putting points in Exo

[NAV]

Maybe it would be possible to give con users multiple shots per turn instead?

Don't they already get multiple shots? Or do you mean even more shots?

Something like this turn here:

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realize shooting myself in the knee didnt do any real damage, resume firing 1 second pulses at ivan.

[con:5]
You swear a few more times, sit on the edge of the table and take aim at ivan again. You first pulse is a cutting blow that half severs the tendril that he fired across the room.
[con:4]
The second catches him in the side and burns a hole for an instant or two before the liquid armor covers it.
[con:3]
The third shot sweeps wide across areas already covered by the armor.

Ivan, staggered but clearly not stopped, turns to look at you, hunching down.

[renegadelobster]

Alright. Or just a straight up gene mod for that. Sharkmist came to mind cause it was used to build structures. Also it doesn't have to be actual sharkmist, could be something derived or based on it

[Kriellya]

And now I feel like I need to put in a lot more Tinker time...... Ugh. Add it to the increasingly long list...