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[Xantalos]

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http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=136149.0

[Sean Mirrsen]

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Heh, that's neat. Let's see if I can make a few of my own.

Spoiler: "Red Hand" Electrolaser Gauntlet (click to show/hide)

Description: An insulated heavy gauntlet with large boxy attachments around the forearm and the weapon emitter over the back of the hand. Combines a hand laser and a high-voltage spark gap into an electrolaser while in atmosphere. Directed lightning, basically.
Magazine: Generator power, 6+ TPU (6 TPU generator, customized and overclocked to maybe 8 )
Features: Safety switch. Intensity dials for electric output and laser power.
Limitations: When using the Electrolaser, sweeping the beam too quickly will dissipate the effect and cause the electricity to arc to a random nearby object.

Weapon functions in three modes. Laser, Electric melee, Electrolaser. Electrolaser only functions in presence of an atmosphere. With power reduced, can function as a non-lethal Taser-like stun weapon.

Laser mode: Effect equivalent to Hand Laser.

Electric melee:
MK.1: Untested. Target likely incapacitated or killed with any solid, non-glancing strike.
Synthbody: Untested. Target likely to suffer pain and sensory feedback, but not lethal damage.
1" thick plate of steel: Untested. Will likely harm the attacker more than the plate.
Battlesuit: Untested, likely no effect. Punching a battlesuit, seriously?

Electrolaser mode:
MK.1: Target incapacitated or killed with any solid hit.
Synthbody: Untested. Target likely to suffer pain and sensory feedback, but not lethal damage.
1" thick plate of steel: Will eventually melt through. With creative use, may function as a welder.
Battlesuit: Untested, likely no damage, although the hand laser may compromise surface insulation and temporarily disable an external sensor.

Things to test: Mostly everything. Results extrapolated from field use and preliminary VR tests.

Spoiler: "Gungnir-S" Composite Electrolaser Rifle (click to show/hide)

Description: A DIY kit combining a Laser Rifle, a Tesla Saber, and a plug-in generator into a single weapon. When in atmosphere, using both at once creates an electrolaser. Basically, directed lightning.
Magazine: Generator power, 4 TPU. Tesla Saber uses separate battery slot, 60 seconds per battery, 10? TPU.
Features: All standard Laser Rifle and Tesla Saber features. Laser Rifle power indefinite. Tesla Saber usable as bayonet. Compartment for 2 extra Tesla Saber batteries, for up to 180 seconds' worth of charge. Heavy forward grip for balancing and enhanced melee.
Limitations: When using the Electrolaser, sweeping the beam too quickly will dissipate the effect and cause the electricity to arc to a random nearby object.

Weapon functions in three modes. Laser Rifle, Tesla Saber, Electrolaser. Electrolaser only functions in presence of an atmosphere.

Laser Rifle mode: Equivalent to standard Laser Rifle, enhanced accounting for ability to maintain beam for long periods without running out of power.

Tesla Saber mode: Equivalent to standard Tesla Saber, with slightly longer reach.

Electrolaser mode:
MK.1: Target killed with any hit. Hitting conductive surfaces may incapacitate or kill several targets in contact with them.
Synthbody: Untested. Target likely to be incapacitated with any solid hit, or killed with direct hit to braincase area.
1" thick plate of steel: Will somewhat quickly melt through.
Battlesuit: Untested, likely minimal damage, although the laser may compromise surface insulation and allow electric charge to locally disrupt internal systems.

Things to test: Mostly everything. Results extrapolated from field use and VR tests.

[Unholy_Pariah]

Sorry sean, battlesuits conduct electricity away from their internal components.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Sorry sean, battlesuits conduct electricity away from their internal components.

But that's just firing electricity directly at the surface, so the surface protects the internals. If the surface is compromised, for instance by a laser...

[PyroDesu]

Bip

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=136149.0

But this isn't Tinker - it's OOC.

As to the idea of standardized testing, I think I already kind of did that with the things both Nick and Simus have designed. Dig around, you might find it somewhere whenever they're in the latter stages of designing a weapon.

[Unholy_Pariah]

Sorry sean, battlesuits conduct electricity away from their internal components.

But that's just firing electricity directly at the surface, so the surface protects the internals. If the surface is compromised, for instance by a laser...

True, but youd need at least a cutting laser to compromise battleplate unfortunately.

[Parisbre56]

Sorry sean, battlesuits conduct electricity away from their internal components.

But that's just firing electricity directly at the surface, so the surface protects the internals. If the surface is compromised, for instance by a laser...

True, but youd need at least a cutting laser to compromise battleplate unfortunately.

A cutting laser focused on the area you want to damage, since the miner in the sharkmist mission only managed to scratch Gilgamesh's paint with his sweep.

@Syvarris: You might want to get that in the wiki, maybe make a page for it in your profile if you think it shouldn't have a normal page.
Gauss Cannon rounds have the following prices:

"So, are you acquainted with the sheep? And can Bishop see you as well?"
Charles makes idle conversation with the entity while searching for Bishop.

The thing doesn't reply, and after a moment it ceases to exist, vanishing as you blink. Huh.

You go wandering around until you find the mysterious Bishop that has taken the entire Ovis world by storm. He looks fairly normal; but there is something strange about him. Perhaps he is a conduit for something.

Or perhaps you're just nuts.

My mining laser operates with a vehicle battery. It can be recharged.

...
"After that I'd like to know some more about this mining laser. Can you refill it? Could I charge its battery, however slowly with electricity? For example if I took the generators of those gauss pistols and hooked them up to the power supply through some capacitors and transformers, would it charge? I don't care how long it takes since we'll be stuck on mission for a year and the only use I'll have for this mining laser will be cutting of pieces of rock."
Bring her the Mining laser. Ask her if she can recharge it and if I could use gauss generators to slowly recharge it over the course of a few days. Ask her if she knows anything about changing the settings or general info about maintaining and repairing it.

"I've also got this mining exosuit along with the laser. Could you give it a check up, make sure it's okay and maybe explain a bit to me what it can do beyond being strong and tough?"
Show her the mining exosuit, ask her to give it a check up, ask her if she knows anything about changing the settings or general info about maintaining and repairing it.

"Then I would like to know if it is possible to attach those rocket pods made for long jumps to my exosuit, how much would it cost and if they would be cheaper if I bought them without fuel and refueled them at the base."
Ask the above.
...

Says the mining laser is nonstandard. Runs on what looks like a vehicle battery. Could be recharged with any normal generators, though it might take a while.
Says the Mining exosuit is pretty much just a Exoskeleton but beefed up and slower. Doesn't have any special modes to it.
Jump pods are possible to graft onto the exosuit, come full, nonnegotiable price.

I've recharged it several times during the year long mission. How fast can it be recharged with a 1 token generator?

What's the price of those nuclear gauss cannon rounds, grav-shells and some kind of armor piercing round that could penetrate a battlesuit with a good hit and burn its insides with explosion or incendiary (like modern anti tank rounds)? For that matter, how does a standard Gauss cannon shot fare against a standard battlesuit?

Also, check that LESHO rifle. Does it fire standard Gauss cannon or Gauss rifle ammo? If not, could it fire ammo other than nuclear, like those grav-shells or standard chunks of metal?

Finally, what's the selling price for my MK2, rocket pods and industrial mining exosuit (if I can sell that)?

((Would anyone be interested in buying Gilgamesh? Price negotiable, and paying part now and part after your next mission is agreeable.
It's a Mobility Battlesuit with Cameyes integrated. If you want I could give a list of the stuff that comes with this suit, including but not limited to Electrified Surface Defence System, built-in kinetic amps, Emergency Ejection Pod and others.))

EDIT:((If you're serious about selling him, then I'd be willing to take him. Just got to sell my MK2 and rocket pods and I can give you 15 tokens or more (and even more if I can get someone to buy my Industrial Mining Exosuit). Although I think you should keep him. I think the ability to go into buildings and fly is pretty damn useful. Then again, the avatar allows you to make your own doors...))

EDIT2:((I've updated my notes with equipment bonuses (as much as I could anyway, since people are still buying and selling stuff) and I just realized a synthflesh-mk3 combo can give you some ridiculous bonuses.))

1.Pretty damn slow, but assuming you don't use it much, that would work
2.The nuclear tipped rounds are standard, so they're the set ammo price in the armory list. Normal shells are half. Grav-shells are twice as much, if not more. Armor piercing would probably be around the same.
3.It fires it's own ammo, but yeah, it can fire different shells, for sure.
4.The exosuit is non standard so it won't sell, but the MK2+rockets will probably sell for like 5 tokens or so.

((Regarding the synthflesh+exosuit, I was under the impression that you couldn't wear the MK stuff after you got a robot body. And with Synthflesh being quite large... Although for extra price it would probably be possible to adapt an exoskeleton for it.

And yeah, if that happens, it breaks the system. My favorite moments were when Faith was in the berserk mode, and her best rolls were actually 1's, since with a +4 bonus you get 5 overshoots, and it's the 1 that actually hits. ... Everything is broken...

Actually, that made me think of something. The 5=perfect works for no bonuses or a +1 bonus, but when you get something like a +4, it's kind of... weird. Should the number for a perfect roll change if somebody gets Faith enraged level bonus, or (god forbid) a +5 to rolls? I mean, seems a bit unfair for someone with no decompensator to have 0% change of not overshooting. I didn't bring it up earlier since we haven't reached that stage of ridiculousness, but I feel that now may be a good time.))

Faith's Berserk mode isn't done the same way as other stuff. It's basically a "engage awesome mode" trigger with the side effect of badly crippling her if she over uses it. Well, that and other things.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Bip
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=136149.0

We take it to the Tinker thread, they tell us to take it to the OOC thread. We take it to the OOC thread, they tell us to take it to the Tinker thread. No one likes shop talk...

((This is what, the second or third time someone's called Anton Sean?))

Depends. Do we count OOC?

[Toaster]

Clearly we need a Tinker SIC (Sorta In Character) thread.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Unrelatedly, I've been perusing some anagram-finding services, and...

Spoiler: Einsteinian Roulette: On Mission (click to show/hide)

Elite Stoner Unit: No Simian Noise

Spoiler: Einsteinian Roulette: On Ship (click to show/hide)

Elite Sinner Unit: A Hope To Sin

Spoiler: Hephaestus Techland (click to show/hide)

"Tech Paths Unleashed" is a good one. There's also "Help Use Death Snatch". "Pastel Death Hunches" is less relevant, unless the earlier behooved Altered theory is correct.

[GreatWyrmGold]

The On-Ship one seems superfluously redundant.

[Parisbre56]

Determine if I can still work the shotgun with my one good arm.

Yes, you think you could use the shotgun, but not very fast. You're gonna have to do the pump action by catching it between your neck and shoulder or with the back of your knee or something similar. Not easy, not fast, but doable.

You can always try to do it one handed, like the Terminator. I'm sure nothing will go wrong.

Attempting this in real life is possible, but it's very difficult to do, puts a lot of unnecessary strain on the gun's moving parts, and is rather unsafe, as a considerable amount of force is required to rack the slide. It's very possible to lose your grip and send a now-loaded firearm flying across the room.

[kj1225]

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NONE OF THE CIVILIANS DIED? That's bull.

[Pancaek]

Man, I finally get my synthflesh body and I'm getting owned by a freaking hatch. I'm suing the armory for false advertising

[Caellath]

@Mission 13: I had a plan once and it was awful.

On a more serious note, I really had a rough plan, but that was before I was lolwtfpwnd by the flu; I'm currently attempting to recall exactly how badly it was, but I think it involves some surveillance and getting us acquainted with their culture and style of doing stuff during the first day, then moving to the green mansion in the second day and waiting for a good moment to strike.

Alternatively, the good ol' "repairmen" tactic may be used, where we infiltrate that hotel through any possible back areas whilst posing as maintenance personnel. There's always little chance of people being suspicious of repairmen.