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[smurfingtonthethird]

Okay, we smack Simus repeatedly instead of launching her into orbit for being fucking retarded, give the computers a slow acting virus so they freak out before they 'die', and punch anyone else involved. Any complaints?

[Parisbre56]

We could always have a good old fashioned capture the remote control match once the mission is over that is certain to kill almost everyone and everything involved.

[Radio Controlled]

@radio
Im pretty sure me shooting that fuel tank was classed as an incident simply because of the strength of the explosion, so super/preternatural isnt a requirement. It simply has to be a wide reaching or devastating failure, that bombardment was both.

And yes the devastation was just bad luck, but pyro/simus designated the targets and fired without any skill or dynamic bonuses to mitigate possible damage even after seeing what happened when you fired it.
Calling it Simus' bombardment seems fairly accurate to me.

Oh and I distinctly recall you saying that i must take responsibility for all my thundertrons failures up to and including it exploding and killing a teammate. I think this meets the same criteria

Still, with that logic, the one responsible would be Miyamoto, since he ordered the artillery built and he ordered Simus to use it. Not that I agree with accusing anyone. It was just bad luck and lack of understanding of what the odds of friendly fire was.It's like saying that if a Sod under my command kills somebody,accidentally, then I'm responsible for that death.
 Because with that logic, you could also be accused, because If you could see that the artillery was dangerous and should not be used, then why didn't you try to convince Miyamoto not to use them or to use them "properly" (if you consider that was possible).

Indeed.

From here

    Did the artillery even affect the opposing forces at all?

They took out the enemy at team C quite well. Even though we were the ones least in need of it. 'Funny' how that works out huh?

    I'll note that Simus isn't actually controlling the artillery beyond telling it which enemy formation to attempt to fire in.

    Simus lynch mob

Indeed, one just chooses an target after which Steve/the computers do the rest. Besides, it's Miya who ordered them, and as the acting commander he has final responsibility for shit like this. Not that he could really help it in any way, but still. So if you wanna lynch a guy, lynch him.
Yeah, good luck with that 

So yes, if it comes up in-game Miya takes full responsibility for the artillery mishap. Had I given control over the artillery a turn later there wouldn't even be any ambiguity really. But again, him being responsible doesn't mean it's 'his fault' cause there wasn't anything he reasonably could have done (except charge a bonus, but we didn't know it'd be needed at that point) to prevent it.

Still, now that we know what we known, we can take steps to prevent it. As I pointed out in the post linked above, the odds at friendly fire are quite higher than one would instinctively suspect. So I'm hoping PW will let us charge dynamic bonus for the guns, maybe even while they are reloading.

Okay, we smack Simus repeatedly instead of launching her into orbit for being fucking retarded, give the computers a slow acting virus so they freak out before they 'die', and punch anyone else involved. Any complaints?

One question: does Miya get to punch back? cough+2strengthcough

[Harry Baldman]

Still, with that logic, the one responsible would be Miyamoto, since he ordered the artillery built and he ordered Simus to use it. Not that I agree with accusing anyone. It was just bad luck and lack of understanding of what the odds of friendly fire was.It's like saying that if a Sod under my command kills somebody,accidentally, then I'm responsible for that death.
 Because with that logic, you could also be accused, because If you could see that the artillery was dangerous and should not be used, then why didn't you try to convince Miyamoto not to use them or to use them "properly" (if you consider that was possible).

See, the fact is, who is actually to blame, what could be done to prevent the situation and various other things that could be of great import are largely irrelevant, because this is not an actual investigation from an IC point of view. This is more a bunch of largely unstable, violent people being somewhat dissatisfied with getting bombed and looking for somebody to take their frustrations out on. Simus, being a handy authority figure tangentially connected with the matter (as well as much less well-liked and respected than Miyamoto), is the perfect choice. Justice and fairness does not enter into the equation at all.

Under the same logic, if a Sod (what does that stand for, anyway? I doubt the original meaning of 'sodomite' is really applicable, given that they probably don't even know about the birds and the bees) in your squad shoots somebody by accident, you may very well be blamed entirely. It won't be fair, of course, but that's the way it is when people seek revenge.

[smurfingtonthethird]

To miyamoto: The commander is at fault for not telling his men to stop, especially if the soldier doesn't fuck up once, but three times in quick succession. It turned guaranteed success into a massive failure with some seriously heavy casualties. Although punching you is about as productive as arguing over the internet, you still fucked up. You can live with that.

EDIT: I realised this would be the best RP session ever but I am dead and stuff.

[Radio Controlled]

To miyamoto: The commander is at fault for not telling his men to stop, especially if the soldier doesn't fuck up once, but three times in quick succession. It turned guaranteed success into a massive failure with some seriously heavy casualties. Although punching you is about as productive as arguing over the internet, you still fucked up. You can live with that.

EDIT: I realised this would be the best RP session ever but I am dead and stuff.

First time was under Miya's direct order, and I considered it more a fluke of bad luck than anything indicating a fundamental problem with the odds.

Second and third time was under Miya's indirect order (he ordered Simus to fire) was in the same turn so ot'd be kinda hard to tell him to stop after the second time. And there hasn't been a shot fired since that.

Tell me, after that first incident, did anyone know the chances it'd happen again? And if yes, why didn't you say something? Cause I actually did the math to find out that the odds are much worse than my intuition told me after that unlucky turn.

Hell, when even the GM says we just had massive streak of bad luck, it's indicative it wasn't a structural fault but rather the torn of the RNG.

[Unholy_Pariah]

Clearly whatever parts you salvaged for the Thundertron
included all the accuracy-enhancing computers that would
have otherwise gone into the artillery cannons. Clearly.

Nah the artillery was bought from E-bay, its cheaper for a reason.

Actually, she just told them which groups to fire into. And I
don't think any skill could possibly take effect over a radio or
other sort of communication link with whatever gunners we
have. And somehow I doubt you would be making such a
deal of it being, say, Milno's bombardment had Cael posted
the exact same thing I did and with the exact results.

You are in the control room with artillery that up until now has apparently been computer operated, pretty sure you could swing an aux bonus if the spotter had one.
Im not making a big deal at all, i simply made my point that this was most certainly worthy to be an incident, stated that you were the one who targetted the cannons and then took a jab at radio because of his insult to my glorius creation despite the fact his artillery emplacements were actively killing us all.

Still, with that logic, the one responsible would be Miyamoto,
since he ordered the artillery built.
It's like saying that if a Sod under my command kills
somebody,accidentally, then I'm responsible for that death.

These yes because they are basically the exact conditions miyamoto gave me for fielding the thundertron, but the rest no.

By applying the conditions he applied to me Miyamoto was responsible for the artillery installation just as i was responsible for the thundertron. But Simus shares responsibility as its spotter because radio stated that taviks jack will share my responsibility due to being the thundertrons pilot.
That segment was a subtle dig at radio rather than casting blame at simus.

[smurfingtonthethird]

I'd've kept the batteries to long range fire after blowing up one of the bunkers and killing someone. The reason I said nothing is threefold: one, I was trippin balls OOC because my first mission had explosions and casualties and stuff; two, I have no power ICwise (and I was IC busy at the time), and three, I couldn't make heads or tails of that mess of a thread.

Stupid procrastination.

Elseif, the RNG is a bastard, and I still want to explode those computers and falcon punch something.

[kisame12794]

Falcon punch the enemy.

[smurfingtonthethird]

I would, but being a crushed corpse makes that rather tricky.

[Unholy_Pariah]

Didnt i pick your head up?
Aurons dragging his somewhat lessened spoils back to the sword so you can probably get robo-bodied then and head back out, not sure if that rocket launcher survived though.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Huh?
I haven't seen anything short of amps and Xan that can really make flesh warp to things more easily than synthflesh. And has anyone seen someone so much as have a chance to use a flesh amp on synth?

Both of which are good examples of its malleability, and in Xan's case, of its ability to modify itself without any outside assistance.

And neither of which is known to be impossible with synthflesh. Besides, Xan's a pretty obvious anomaly.

I'm not aware of anyone actually attempting to modify synthflesh, but in ancient times the Doctor mentioned that once a synthflesh's form was set, it was really, really hard to change, usually to the point where it was easier to start over. It was also confirmed that healing synthflesh in the field would require a bunch of near-perfect rolls from a variety of disciplines, which doesn't bode well for modifying it.

The question is: has anyone looked into making synthflesh more malleable? Can't be harder than making the Thing.

And yes the devastation was just bad luck, but pyro/simus designated the targets and fired without any skill or dynamic bonuses to mitigate possible damage even after seeing what happened when you fired it.
Calling it Simus' bombardment seems fairly accurate to me.
Oh and I distinctly recall you saying that i must take responsibility for all my thundertrons failures up to and including it exploding and killing a teammate. I think this meets the same criteria

The differences...
1. Simus's presence or lack of skill or dynamic bonuses matters not, because she wasn't firing the damn thing!
2. Simus didn't really have a choice in whether or not to fire the artillery, between her CO and the enemy.
3. "Giant un-prototyped barel-planned kludgebot malfunctions" is way more likely than "artillery hits our own position multiple times". The numbers don't lie--one 1 or even a 6 would be enough for the former, while the latter requires a 1 followed by a 1 or a 2 to happen, once.

Hell, when even the GM says we just had massive streak of bad luck, it's indicative it wasn't a structural fault but rather the torn of the RNG.

Conclusion: We must punch the RNG for this failure! Which might be tough if piecewise uses random.org, since their number generator is the atmosphere.

[TCM]

Defensive Mechanisms: Displacement

[GreatWyrmGold]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_(psychology)

You fixed the link before I could. Bravo. I still prefer normalpedia over mobilepedia when using computers, though.

Your point...?

[TCM]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_(psychology)

You fixed the link before I could. Bravo. I still prefer normalpedia over mobilepedia when using computers, though.

Your point...?

Oh, I didn't touch the link, it's still broken for me. Accidentally removed that last parenthesis from the link.

It's just a little something for everyone to take into consideration~