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[Xantalos]

Don't worry, I'll continue to emulate Prometheus. Nothing could go wrong there.

[Nikitian]

@Sean Your art is charming, as always. Now I have to wonder whether the opposite end bears "From each according to their abilities". It is, after all, to ship alien trinkets back to Hephaestus, isn't it?

[Pancaek]

((Crisis averted?))

((You're an arm and a torso in low orbit. This was the best possible resolution of things.))

Cool, we now have three torsobros. we should get matching tattoos.

[Nikitian]

@Parisbre56 Actually, it's minimal intensity (1) what you are talking about with the lasrifle. Maximum intensity (10) burns through the battery like hell, at 10x energy consumption, but gives the option of quite better firepower during those 3 seconds of the battery life (though probably not exactly 10x as good, and even then it is eclipsed by the cutting laser at default settings).
Or at least that's how the things were some two years ago when I last tinkered with lasrifles

[Parisbre56]

@Nikitian: Yeah, I don't remember that that well. You're probably right.

@syvarris:

Although, I do want to point out that your comparison of the lasrifle/cutlas to the Testament/PSL is kind've off.  The catlas battery supplies four times the energy, at twice the cost, while the PSL tank supplies 4.5 times the fluid, at four times the cost.  And a lasrifle with a generator would probably be a token cheaper than the Testament.

I think you might have skimmed through what we were saying and misunderstood it, because neither of us mentioned the PSL or the cutting laser. Not that I disagree with your main point that we may lack the data to make that argument (although there is certainly evidence we can use), just making an observation.

Oh, and the vibroblade does have an advantage over monorazors: it can stab, meaning it cam be used to (slowly) penetrate reinforced doors or be used in similar situations where "monorazors can't stab" was an issue. However, you might want to check if they are faster or slower at cutting than a monorazor (I'm guessing slower) and if they are more brittle (for example, if you're trying to stab a battlesuit, would breaking the blade by taking advantage of its slow cutting speed be a viable tactic for the battlesuit?).

[Doomblade187]

@Nikitian: Yeah, I don't remember that that well. You're probably right.

@syvarris:

Although, I do want to point out that your comparison of the lasrifle/cutlas to the Testament/PSL is kind've off.  The catlas battery supplies four times the energy, at twice the cost, while the PSL tank supplies 4.5 times the fluid, at four times the cost.  And a lasrifle with a generator would probably be a token cheaper than the Testament.

I think you might have skimmed through what we were saying and misunderstood it, because neither of us mentioned the PSL or the cutting laser. Not that I disagree with your main point that we may lack the data to make that argument (although there is certainly evidence we can use), just making an observation.

Oh, and the vibroblade does have an advantage over monorazors: it can stab, meaning it cam be used to (slowly) penetrate reinforced doors or be used in similar situations where "monorazors can't stab" was an issue. However, you might want to check if they are faster or slower at cutting than a monorazor (I'm guessing slower) and if they are more brittle (for example, if you're trying to stab a battlesuit, would breaking the blade by taking advantage of its slow cutting speed be a viable tactic for the battlesuit?).

Even though I realize that this isn't the point, monorazors can 'stab'. It's just that the target has to be small enough- one can actually put a filament across the end of a blade and have a stabbing surface that can work on infantry. Doors and some suits are still problematic, though.

[syvarris]

@Paris (I did skim, but I had read it normally a few hours before I posted.)

Also consider that with 4 tokens, you can give a laser rifle a generator, allowing for almost unlimited ammo (unless you melt it by firing continuously) while the Shard Rifle, even with the 4 token upgrade, still runs out of ammo after 40 turns of firing.
So you get comparable magazines to the laser rifle, even though the weapon is slightly more powerful))

You didn't mention the cutting laser, but you did mention the PSL- the four token upgrade to the Testament's magazine is the PSL tank.  You could, with a bit of Handiwork, do a similar thing with the Cutlas battery, and I doubt it'd cost more than one token to mess with the electronics.  So the lasrifle has a better ammo economy when scaling up.  It also has a even better ammo economy when just using a generator, because that costs two tokens, maybe three or four if you're getting a custom job.  So, if we made lasrifles with generators standard, they'd be equal in price to a Testament, but have infinite ammo.

Mostly, I'm disagreeing with your comment that the magazines are comparable.  A lasrifle's ammo economy is entirely superior if you're going to spend tokens on it.

I should really check if a lasrifle can be run at any higher power for short periods without taking permanent damage, and then just make a variant with a weak generator and capacitors, like Nik's old pulse rifles.

As far as the vibrope... fine, vibroblade, even if it's bad at cutting... I didn't say to start production, did I?  It's got similar performance to a monorazor in combat, but trades mundane utility (cutting well) for the ability to kill synthflesh and Battlesuits.  But it's waaay too expensive to replace a monorazor, so before I even check if there's other things that might disqualify it, I'm gonna check if it's even feasible to produce

[Unholy_Pariah]

Actually id say the vibrorapier is pretty much superior to the monorazor.

Vibrorapier can penetrate and also has the ability to cut (slowly) in any direction.
I mean sure it costs an extra token compared to a monosword, but it has much more versatility... and it can fuck a up battlesuit even if it cant reach the pilot.

Any chance you wanna design a composite bow to fire arrow versions of these with self retracting anchors to force the tip through armor? And inject explosive or poison gas?

Edit: and by more versatile i mean it can actually damage flat surfaces and objects that are wider then the length of the cutting "blade".

[Beirus]

I read every instance of "vibrorapier" in that post as "vibroraper". It turned out pretty funny, then I realized I misread it.

[Unholy_Pariah]

Well a lot of people pronounce rapier as rape-ya so your not far off anyway.

Oh damn... imagine trying to order one from the Armory Master...

[Xantalos]

I read every instance of "vibrorapier" in that post as "vibroraper". It turned out pretty funny, then I realized I misread it.

I have the perfect name for this:
The Rorge.

[syvarris]

Actually id say the vibrorapier is pretty much superior to the monorazor.

Vibrorapier can penetrate and also has the ability to cut (slowly) in any direction.
I mean sure it costs an extra token compared to a monosword, but it has much more versatility... and it can fuck a up battlesuit even if it cant reach the pilot.

Any chance you wanna design a composite bow to fire arrow versions of these with self retracting anchors to force the tip through armor? And inject explosive or poison gas?

Edit: and by more versatile i mean it can actually damage flat surfaces and objects that are wider then the length of the cutting "blade".

...You realize the meter long version, the closest to a monosword, was quoted at costing fifteen tokens?  The price of a monosword is six tokens:

"Apart from gauss. Also how much is the monoatmoic sword?"

Ask that. also ask what sort of armour can be worn thats cheap but still better than a MK1. hopefully.

"6 for the sword. You probably want something archaic for a gun right?"

So... the meter long penetrator costs more than twice as much for a similar length.  PW was kinda iffy on if the five token version was long enough to stab through a BS's armor, but I think it wasn't.  So, for five tokens you could get an eleven inch poker which can cut very slowly, or wait for six tokens and get a three foot slasher which can cut extremely well, and even delimb a battlesuit in short order.

Also, apparently the monosword isn't in the armory.  I'll go add it, I guess.

(Also, that crossbow idea isn't bad- Fire 2cm shots at a high velocity, and they'd go right through just about any armor.  Only problem is actually having them do damage.)

[Parisbre56]

(Also, that crossbow idea isn't bad- Fire 2cm shots at a high velocity, and they'd go right through just about any armor.  Only problem is actually having them do damage.)

Spoiler: Tinker-withdrawal induced ramblings (click to show/hide)

What if we launched superheated ultra-sharp mini-needles at very high speeds? Like some sort of monoatomic-nailgun?

It'd probably suffer at long range but it should be a decent gun in short range, since their small mass should allow you to launch them at insanely high speeds. And small size would mean that they'd be cheaper, allowing you to fire them without worrying about retrieving them later.

Their strength would mean that they wouldn't deform or break but instead would keep penetrating until they run out of kinetic energy. And since they'd have a very small surface area, they shouldn't have to expend too much kinetic energy to penetrate armour.

Once the shot is through the armour, it would transfer most of its heat to the target, boiling them alive from the inside or setting them on fire. A variable power setting to account for people with more or less armour would help to make sure that the needles stops inside the target for maximum heat transference. Of course, you'd probably need to get multiple shots on target for a kill.

Plus, the shots would glow, giving you that futuristic "I'm firing glowing bullets" feeling.

FAKEEDIT: With some quick calculations, I calculated that you'd need about 170.52 kilojoules to raise the temperature of a human by one degree. Which is kind of a large amount to transfer through a needle, since if you give that energy to a gram of aluminium, it would be heated 189000^oK. Of course, whether or not this number is absurd depends on the specific heat of Mythril and how much heat you actually need to transfer to damage a human (or electronics, in case of robots) since there are other factors you need to take into account, such as the fact that you aren't heating the entire human evenly and thus the water around the impact point is likely to boil. For example, assuming the needle is surrounded by two grams of water, and transfers about a quarter of its energy to its surroundings, that gives us an increase in temperature of 5000^oK. Maybe it would be better to give the needle some sort of explosive charge. And then there's the problem of how you heat the needle, maybe by running it through some sort of electrical spark? That would be kind of expensive though. Maybe it would be cheaper to put some sort of explosive in the needles. Yeah, probably not a very good idea now that I reconsider it, but it might still be worth investigating.

Yeah. Yeah. Someone de-eye him. There's gotta be a screwdriver around here somewhere.

Why not let Miyamoto do it?

"Put on an orange jumpsuit." The guide says.

Technician clothes? I guess they didn't have any inmate clothes. Or maybe they just want to help you fit in.

>Do what another guy did: Put on your suit, go outside and shoot into space.[/color]

Remember to take some targets with you.

[Toaster]

Remember to take some targets with you.

There's a nice spherical target just hanging around the sky up there.

[Nikitian]

@Syvarris I'll consider that as your recommendation of me to the Big Sister

On topic of 2 cm needles: Actually, the most important part is that they compromise the battleplate integrity. Remember, a cracked battleplate is much easier to penetrate than a pristine one; especially if we couple it with things that could really take advantage of that (laser almost cannot, for one, I think).
So far, I can see two immediate applications of that idea:
1)crystalline projectiles (as in genocided-alien-race-crystalls, not P-Shards) delivered to the cracked spot (or near it, given the expanding nature of the projectile)
2)needle-tipped rocket rifle/explosive-type Sibilus projectiles: penetrate, then explode - bolter rounds, essentially