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Author Topic: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC and NEW PLAYER INFO  (Read 2540415 times)

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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #16635 on: April 29, 2015, 03:34:07 pm »

I don't think shooting the nerves is a good idea. The next step should be identifying exactly where the nerves converge and coming up with a digging plan so you can get to the brain.
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"Could you guys also make a hamburger out of this arm when they cut it off? I wanted to eat it just for the sake of tasting it."
>That is horrible and disgusting. It will no doubt set you apart and create fear in your team mates. So of course.

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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #16636 on: April 29, 2015, 03:35:37 pm »

PW just let me know it's half weight, not 10%, which makes it much more reasonable.  I'd be fine treating it like that.
odd, I had it on a higher setting than that. something must have scaled it back.

Well, if you want to be a crippled character that's barely capable of moving in anything except vacuum, I'm sure you can have that..  half weight gets you closer to what you want, rather than what you asked for.  If you were effective at a tenth the mass, the doctor would not know his job.
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #16637 on: April 29, 2015, 03:45:11 pm »

get implant removed, inform miyamoto because steve/infirmary staff feels its necessary.

Quote from: Auron to Miyamoto
Steve wants me to let you know that im getting my shock implant removed, so heres a notification.

'I am getting my implant removed, adjust future mission security protocols accordingly.'

That is all, enjoy your stay with the doomshrooms.

((I'll message him to inform him but i dont see why miya should have any right to consult?

Because Miyamoto is the defacto General of the former inmates, as ordained by Steve? So he is Steve's resource for determining whether or not someone can have the implant removed?

After all, Steve would rather everyone be implanted all the time. Because why wouldn't he? There's no downside from his perspective to being able to shock anyone he likes, in addition to tracking their vitals :P

I also feel that you have no particularly strong IC justification for having it removed... I don't remember the character previous history with the implant myself.
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #16638 on: April 29, 2015, 04:29:14 pm »

Well, if you want to be a cripple...
seriously?
1) humans are neutrally buoyant in water - meaning gravity doesn't push us down enough for us to get decent traction in it. in fact most people naturally float in water and it actively pushes us up off the ground like a helium-filled-balloon. (meaning moving through water example is invalid unless we're talking about super-thick atmospheres)
2) Lyra moves on all fours when she wants to move fast. (has paws on ground higher % of time during motion than bipeds)
3) Legs apply horizontal force with each step they take, for the duration of that step.
4) air resistance applies the same amount of force for a given speed no matter my weight
5) I apply the same amount of force against that air resistance no matter my weight, an increase my total momentum by the same amount (unless I become literally as light as or lighter than air, or close enough to it that my terminal velocity would be measured in inches per second - again, buoyancy matters)
6) I am not a projectile - my feet and claws remain in contact with the ground and continue to apply force as I move.
7) at the kind of speeds air resistance and my reduced momentum for a given speed - not a given amount of force applied to my body, for which the momentum would be the exact same no matter my weight would actually matter, I'm already going much faster than normally possible.

you're right that for a given speed, air resistance will decelerate me faster, but you are wrong because for a given speed, air resistance still applies the same amount of force, and will only reduce total momentum by the same amount in either case.

You will only become correct if I find myself in a thick enough atmosphere that I literally have trouble staying on the ground, or if I am in free-fall.

This is the same point I said before, just a little more broken down for you since you haven't actually addressed it.
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #16639 on: April 29, 2015, 04:55:19 pm »

get implant removed, inform miyamoto because steve/infirmary staff feels its necessary.

Quote from: Auron to Miyamoto
Steve wants me to let you know that im getting my shock implant removed, so heres a notification.

'I am getting my implant removed, adjust future mission security protocols accordingly.'

That is all, enjoy your stay with the doomshrooms.

((I'll message him to inform him but i dont see why miya should have any right to consult?

Because Miyamoto is the defacto General of the former inmates, as ordained by Steve? So he is Steve's resource for determining whether or not someone can have the implant removed?

After all, Steve would rather everyone be implanted all the time. Because why wouldn't he? There's no downside from his perspective to being able to shock anyone he likes, in addition to tracking their vitals :P

I also feel that you have no particularly strong IC justification for having it removed... I don't remember the character previous history with the implant myself.
Steve is a near omniscient robot, he doesnt need miyamoto to make decisions.

Steve freed us all, that means that the shock implants, that are in us to keep us from escaping, are no longer necessary.
Also Auron was supposed to be getting an MMI, steve can probably track his vitals through that.

Oh the history exists, the thing with Simus alone is enough IC justification.
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #16640 on: April 29, 2015, 06:03:39 pm »

No, the issue isn't that Steve *needs* Miyamoto to make the decision. The issue is that Steve *doesn't care*. Implant, no implant, doesn't matter to Steve at all. From a reach-ability perspective, implant is better, so someone who wants it removed should have experience, a fair reason, and the support of someone Steve trusts.
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #16641 on: April 29, 2015, 06:15:10 pm »

Wait, PEW works as a projectile? I thought it was an energy weapon...
Then again, PEW does exert force, so maybe it's part-projectile part-weapon? Something like plasma?
Just surprised Lars didn't hit the blimp.

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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #16642 on: April 29, 2015, 06:20:11 pm »

We're playing Russian Roulette on the IRC channel for a secret hidden prize.

Come join us!

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« Reply #16643 on: April 29, 2015, 06:20:45 pm »

Welp, next turn I'm probably dead, 3 missions on the first try isn't too bad xD
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #16644 on: April 29, 2015, 08:02:47 pm »

You will only become correct if I find myself in a thick enough atmosphere that I literally have trouble staying on the ground.
Lenglon, you are going to have trouble staying on the ground, period.

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Anyway, you're fine with how it's being played, but I just don't like seeing people taking all the advantages of anything without acknowledging any of it's limitations, wether it's magic robo-cat or some impossible gun or vehicle.

I also don't like it when bonuses stack on bonuses stack on bonuses stack on bonuses, when bonus #4 interferes with #2, and #1 interferes with #3.
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« Reply #16645 on: April 29, 2015, 08:12:44 pm »

Well, if you want to be a cripple...
seriously?
1) humans are neutrally buoyant in water - meaning gravity doesn't push us down enough for us to get decent traction in it. in fact most people naturally float in water and it actively pushes us up off the ground like a helium-filled-balloon. (meaning moving through water example is invalid unless we're talking about super-thick atmospheres)
2) Lyra moves on all fours when she wants to move fast. (has paws on ground higher % of time during motion than bipeds)
3) Legs apply horizontal force with each step they take, for the duration of that step.
4) air resistance applies the same amount of force for a given speed no matter my weight
5) I apply the same amount of force against that air resistance no matter my weight, an increase my total momentum by the same amount (unless I become literally as light as or lighter than air, or close enough to it that my terminal velocity would be measured in inches per second - again, buoyancy matters)
6) I am not a projectile - my feet and claws remain in contact with the ground and continue to apply force as I move.
7) at the kind of speeds air resistance and my reduced momentum for a given speed - not a given amount of force applied to my body, for which the momentum would be the exact same no matter my weight would actually matter, I'm already going much faster than normally possible.

you're right that for a given speed, air resistance will decelerate me faster, but you are wrong because for a given speed, air resistance still applies the same amount of force, and will only reduce total momentum by the same amount in either case.

You will only become correct if I find myself in a thick enough atmosphere that I literally have trouble staying on the ground, or if I am in free-fall.

This is the same point I said before, just a little more broken down for you since you haven't actually addressed it.
1) This is correct, but it doesn't mean you'll run faster, it means you will have trouble going as fast, because each step will send you up unusually high, and you can't push off the ground if you're airborn.
2) I'm no cat expert, but based on your speed, I'm guessing Lyra moves like a cheetah would when she's running. Watch a video of a cheetah running full-speed: it usually is airborne, and rarely touches more than one foot to the ground at once. If you're less dense you'll just go flying higher into the air with every step, so you'll be subject to more air resistance, and be less able to resist it due to your lack of weight.
3) No, they apply a force identical to and opposite to the force they apply on the ground, which is primarily upwards, and somewhat forwards. You can't get a completely horizontal force if you aren't pushing of a vertical wall.
4) This is true, but remember that any force will push you around more, because you have less inertia due to your decreased mass.
5) No, you don't. Force equals mass times acceleration. You have less mass, and I don't think you go fast enough to counter this. I doubt you go twice as fast as normal, or any faster at all for that matter.
6) If you run like a big cat you'll spend less time in contact with the ground. Watch this.
7) Air resistance matters at any speed, if she's running. Because of the way cats tend to run, Lyra is going to move slower than she normally would if she tries to sprint, not faster. She's not going to look like a sleek and deadly tigress, she's going to look like a furry version of Neil Armstrong, bounding up and down slowly, easily blown off course by a stiff breeze.
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« Reply #16646 on: April 29, 2015, 08:20:48 pm »

By the way, sorry if I came across as trying to insult you or Lyra. I don't want to offend you, I just disagree with you on whether or not Lyra's increased ability is realistic using the current explanation, without involving a massive amount of spess magic.
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #16647 on: April 29, 2015, 08:23:58 pm »

By the way, what if her mass stayed the same, but effective gravity pull was decreased? That would help with air resistance and moment, but still make it far easier to move - or would it? I'm confused now.
(This is academic for me, I have nothing against whichever result or explanation is used for Lyra's new body.)
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #16648 on: April 29, 2015, 08:26:28 pm »

It would help with air resistance, which is a significant but smaller part of it, but it wouldn't help keep her on the ground.

Also, TBH, there should probably be a ST penalty or a penalty to melee combat if she really was 10% of her original mass.
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« Reply #16649 on: April 29, 2015, 08:29:07 pm »

By the way, what if her mass stayed the same, but effective gravity pull was decreased? That would help with air resistance and moment, but still make it far easier to move - or would it? I'm confused now.
(This is academic for me, I have nothing against whichever result or explanation is used for Lyra's new body.)
It would prevent troubles with air resistance, but she still would have problems with locomotion. Her steps would push her up higher than they normally would, which would already be pretty high if she has a cat-like gait. This would slow her down, because she would be able to push off the ground less times, due to being airborne.
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